Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail

   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail #11  
she will move a 1k# bale of round hay if you ratchet strap it into the bucket. I dodn't do that anymore as it's a hair abusive at the edge of it's capability. .. now i have an 850 with heavier loader that has much less issue lifting more than that weight..
 
   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail #13  
I use my 1951, 8n for hauling firewood from the barn to the house, all winter long. It has started well every time, down to 10 below or so. The 8n has a couple hundred pounds less hydraulic capacity than your 650, and is also a good bit lighter. It will lift two rows of seasoned firewood, stacked about to the top of your box, but that is right at the limit (both in hydraulic capacity, and to bring up the front end ). It will only lift about 1-1/2 rows of unseasoned firewood. I use it in the fall for hauling unseasoned wood from the landing to the barn. All of my splitting is done in the barn so I can keep busy on our very frequent rain days. While the hydraulics are stronger on the 600 series, I don't think they are quite as durable as those of the n's. "Knock on wood", the hydraulics of my 8n have never needed service, and has only had 2 or 3 oil changes, since it left the factory, 63 years ago. How has the hydraulics held up on your 650 ?
 
   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail
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I use my 1951, 8n for hauling firewood from the barn to the house, all winter long. It has started well every time, down to 10 below or so. The 8n has a couple hundred pounds less hydraulic capacity than your 650, and is also a good bit lighter. It will lift two rows of seasoned firewood, stacked about to the top of your box, but that is right at the limit (both in hydraulic capacity, and to bring up the front end ). It will only lift about 1-1/2 rows of unseasoned firewood. I use it in the fall for hauling unseasoned wood from the landing to the barn. All of my splitting is done in the barn so I can keep busy on our very frequent rain days. While the hydraulics are stronger on the 600 series, I don't think they are quite as durable as those of the n's. "Knock on wood", the hydraulics of my 8n have never needed service, and has only had 2 or 3 oil changes, since it left the factory, 63 years ago. How has the hydraulics held up on your 650 ?
I rebuilt the pump and lift cylinder on the hydraulics on my 660 in the late 90s.I feel that was the first rebuild,but who knows. A lot can happen in 50+ years. Unless you bought your 8n new and it has low hours on it,chances are the hydraulics have been serviced/overhauled. IMHO, the jubilee,600,800 pump is easier to service as it's easily removed. And the added bonus of not having to run the PTO to operate the lift and being able to raise equipment with the tractor stopped with the clutch down more than offsets having to rebuild a pump or lift cylinder every 35-45 years. just my 2 cents
 
   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail #15  
Although I did not purchase my 8n new, I actually do know its entire history. The gentleman who lived directly across the street from me purchased it brand new in 1951, along with a 2 bottom, 12" 3-pt plow, a 6 ft, 3-pt disk, and a 6 ft drag. It was lightly worked from 1951, until around 1988 when he passed away, and I bought the whole works from his widow. It actually needed no service of any kind, the entire time he owned it, other than oil changes. He only used it to work a medium sized garden each year. It was my first tractor purchase, and I am certain that contributes to it being my favorite make/model by any manufacturer to this day. It had slightly over 600 hours when I got it. It needed a couple of valves replaced then due to low compression.

I have proceeded to put over 1000 additional hours on it, some of which were hard duty. After I finished digging a 1/4 acre pond with it, it needed a complete valve job. Since then it has needed nothing other than oil changes, and a couple exhaust manifolds (the Chinese just don't make them as well as the USA). The reason I know its entire history is that, we are all pretty close around here, often swapping story's, equipment, pulling each other out of the mud, and such. I remember, that old man bragging to my grandpa, about how his Ford 8n never needed any work, even though it was purchased the same year as gramp's John Deere model M. Gramps would counter with "Maybe so, but you are working about 100 less acres".

I have seen or used several Jubilee, or 600 series tractors, that needed hydraulic service, while none of the n's I have been around needed any. I guess that was the price to be paid for those fancy "live" systems. Our JD "M" did have live hydraulics, and a 2x12 plow, but I was always able to out-plow gramps, or my dad with my "dead-hydraulic" 8n.
 
   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail
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First off, let me say if your happy with your" dead hydraulic" 8n, that's great. I just prefer my "fancy live" 660. FYI
"slightly over 600 hours" IS low hours and 1000 more is not much more. I've seen 600-800s showing 3000-4500 hrs on broken tachs still running.Maybe they had been rebuilt,maybe not.I've put 1400 hrs on mine since I got it in '97 and Lord only knows how many hours was on it before that. You can argue this until your JD green in the face, but that's the way I see it.
 
   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail #17  
Hey Jim, do you have any other tractors? I always struggled with just one and certainly that makes the hours add up a lot quicker. The 8n was only my primary tractor for a couple years, after which it got "relieved" by a 1970 something, Ford 2000 diesel. That 2000 had significantly more power, and busted up that poor little 8n's 3-pt disk in short order. Luckily, I am a pretty good welder/farbricator, and was able to beef up that disk such that even my much larger, 4wd, JD 4120 was not able to break it. I always plowed with the 8n, as long as I had the 2000, as it plowed just as good, and it was handy to have that 2000 in reserve to pull the stuck 8n/plow out of a few mud-holes each season. I don't think I could have pulled out the heavier 2000/plow with the lighter 8n.

Since getting the JD 4120, I use that to plow and am amazed at that tractors ability to pull that little 2x12 plow, even thru standing water. Watching the wakes roll off the moldboards is kind of cool. It is really unbelievable what a 4 wheel drive tracktor with a loader can do on a plow. My farm is all low bottomland and it takes forever to dry completely each spring, forcing me to plow thru a few wet areas every year.

Because the 8n is still my favorite, it is on "light-duty" these days, basically just hauling a little firewood each winter and fall (like in your picture) and operating a 2-row corn planter in the spring. 3 other tractors handle most of the work and see a lot more hours pile up. As far as my preference for the n's, that's just the way it is. It seems as though I am not alone in that respect, as the n's, even today, seem to be about the most popular "antique" tractor out there, certainly a lot more popular than the Ford 600 series. I do understand your preference for the 600's however, as there is at least one other frequent poster on this site who is in complete agreement with you.
 
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   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail
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Man ,your smooth. you carry on a real friendly conversation and save your little insults and jabs until the end of your posts. I really don't have anthing against your little red belly. I just like a little more modern tractor. Yes I like my 660. It has a 5sp which has one lower gear than your red belly (more pulling power),better brakes,better rear axles,more horsepower, power steering (because it could be installed on a 600)and live PTO because I mow and bushhog a lot and lets not forget (LIVE LIFT). The reason red bellies are popular is they're plentiful(524,000 made) , fairly inexpensive and they paint up pretty for parades and shows. Maybe you need to put up a pretty bronze statue by the road of your 8n and have some stadium seats around it for Sunday worship.
 
   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail #19  
Sorry if I offended you Jim. I do acknowledge the superiority of the 600 series, especially the later ones like yours, in many, if not all, areas of performance. It is just that there are a few things that make me like the n's most: 1) The tractor that first popularized the 3-pt hitch (which I love on most any implement other than the disk), 2) Best parts availability of any tractor made (certainly this is mostly due to the massive production numbers), 3) Real durable hydraulics. I admit that I would definitely prefer a live system if I still did any pto work with this tractor (It has probably been 20 years or more since my pto cover was even off). 4) Light weight (although not quite the power/weight ratio as the 600 series, I guess). 5) Good fuel economy, 6) In the case of the 52's and 51's like mine, Ford's most refined, dependable form of the flat-head engine (this explains the slightly better fuel economy that the Jubilee, which replaced it in 1953). 7) My own, personal first tractor purchase.

For yourself, assuming you have only one tractor, and need to use it for lots of pto work, there is no doubt in my mind that your 650 is a far better choice. By the way, back in the day, the n's weren't that cheap. Grandpa told me that he got his similar sized John Deere M (first tractor I ever operated), for considerably less money than he could have gotten a Ford 8n. Peace brother.
 
   / Using a 600 for winter wood hauling detail
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Not really offended, just a little annoyed. This topic was started to talk about using your ford tractor to haul firewood and what method you prefer. Not comparing 8ns to 600s hydraulics. But since it's off topic now,what the heck.... it's all good here.... 8Ns are good tractors. My dad bought a '52 new. IMHO, each series had improvements over the one it replaced. The 01series was a little better than the 100 series so forth and so on. Yes, I also have a '89 ford 4610su that also gets used for mowing and grading work(pulling a 7' 1200lb heavy duty box blade). It's got more power and weight than the 600 and superior hydraulics with remote cylinders on the top link and side link. Some jobs are done better with it,some the 600 does better including yard work(pulling a 6' two roller pulverizer/yard tool,rootrake), pulling a 6'finish mower with a lot of forward and backward mowing. And with narrower rear tires and lighter weight, is better not to compress the grass so much so the mower will clip it better.
 

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