untaxed fuel

[LBrown59]

1*I have never heard of and EPA red. The red dye in diesel is just to catch people using off road diesel in on road trucks.
2*I believe off road diesel is the same as on road diesel only difference is the dye.

1*There is no such thing as EPA or IRS Red.
That's why you never heard about it .
2*There is no such thing as on road VS off road diesel only taxed or untaxed fuel.

3*I recently started using dyed heating fuel in my tractor, and it seems to work just fine so far.
4*Is it just me, or does the dyed fuel smell different from regular road diesel?

3*Actually it's plain ole diesel with a red dye in it .
4*It's just you as the dye has no smell.

5*The red dye is used to indicate the fuel was sold federal road tax free as mentioned.
6*Kerosene is nearly the same as number 1 diesel less the additives typically use in diesel engines.

5*Make that Federal and State Highway taxes.
6*But it is not fit to run in a diesel engine.

7*Kerosene can be dyed red for off road uses (heaters mostly) and of course red dyed diesel also.
8*Im not sure why everyone keeps citing that died diesel has sulfur in it.
9*I checked with my supplier and their dyed diesel has the same sulfur rating as regular road diesel.
Its also a winter blend like regular diesel.
10* Its made to use in MODERN, NEW offroad engines like $250,000 dozers.
11*They have to have the ultra low sulfur fuels to operate.

7*That's correct Kerosene is for heaters not engines .
8*Bcause they aren't up to date with what's going on.
Old ways are hard to change for some folks.
9*That's because they are both the same fuel.
10*You have this backwards.
The fuel was not created for the engines the engines were adapted to accept the fuel.
11*That's because they had to change the engines to fit the fuel not the other way around.

 

[Whitnel]

2*There is no such thing as on road VS off road diesel only taxed or untaxed fuel.

Only refered to is as everyone else in the construction industry around me does. If I told someone I needed to get 500 gal of untaxed diesel they would look at me pretty funny. But asks them for some off road diesel they would understand.

We agree, the only difference between them is tax and one has dye so you can tell which one is which.

 

[grsthegreat]

Only refered to is as everyone else in the construction industry around me does. If I told someone I needed to get 500 gal of untaxed diesel they would look at me pretty funny. But asks them for some off road diesel they would understand.

We agree, the only difference between them is tax and one has dye so you can tell which one is which.

I agree. Even the fuel tanks are labeled off road diesel in large vinyl labels.

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

There are two different shades of red
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One is IRS red, and it means the fuel has not been taxed. The other is EPA red, and that means the fuel contains too much sulphur to be used in an on-the-road vehicle.

Either color of red is illegal to put in your diesel tank. If LEO catches you with even a hint of red in your fuel tank (or fuel filter), you've had it.

If you read carefully and pay attention to what was REALLY SAID, the above post is accurate.

It does NOT say they use "different dyes"
It says the fuels are different COLORS

The following post CONFIRMS the different COLORS when it states they use FIVE TIMES MORE dye:

"In United States of America, the Environmental Protection Agency mandates use of a red dye to identify high-sulfur fuels for off-road use. Solvent Red 26 is used in the United States as a standard, though it is often replaced with Solvent Red 164, which is similar to Solvent Red 26 but with longer alkyl chains.

The Internal Revenue Service mandates use of the same red dyes, in fivefold concentration, for tax-exempt diesel fuels such as heating oil; their argument for the higher dye content is to allow detection even when diluted with "legal" fuel. Detection of red-dyed fuel in the fuel system of an on-road vehicle will incur substantial penalties."

 

[MHarryE]

1*There is no such thing as EPA or IRS Red.
That's why you never heard about it .
2*There is no such thing as on road VS off road diesel only taxed or untaxed fuel.

3*Actually it's plain ole diesel with a red dye in it .
4*It's just you as the dye has no smell.

5*Make that Federal and State Highway taxes.
6*But it is not fit to run in a diesel engine.

7*That's correct Kerosene is for heaters not engines .
8*Bcause they aren't up to date with what's going on.
Old ways are hard to change for some folks.
9*That's because they are both the same fuel.
10*You have this backwards.
The fuel was not created for the engines the engines were adapted to accept the fuel.
11*That's because they had to change the engines to fit the fuel not the other way around.

Your answers agree with what I have read on the law except for one thing - the law states that small refiners have until the end of 2012 to comply with ULSD while large refiners have had to comply since the start of 2010 (except for railroad and marine fuel). The off-road pump where I fill my transfer tank has a dirty old label that quotes the old lingo, "the fuel from this pump may contain up to / more than 500 ppm...". The clerks don't have a clue as to what they are selling when I ask them. Do you think I am stupid to save the $20 or so a tank load vs. buying taxed "white" fuel stickered as ULSD? My tractor is stickered for use with ULSD only, but as it uses old technology low pressure fuel system (Kubota indirect injection) it could only be a requirement for pollution, not for plugging injectors.

 

[CharlieS]

........and that means the fuel contains too much sulphur to be used in an on-the-road vehicle.

What difference does on road or off road equipment make regarding the amount of pollution discharged assuming the same sulfer content of the fuel? OR for that matter if dyed fuel is higher in sulfer content, then the EPA is trying to tell us farm (or offroad) equipment magicly produces less pollution than road legal diesels?
Take an OTR truck for example that gets 6 mpg @ 60 mph, multiply that's 10 GPH compared to brand X farm tractor in the field burning 8 to 10 GPH, in general terms, theres no way the truck pollutes less than a tractor working in the field, on a gallon to gallon/hr comparison of fuel burned.
So what? farm equipment magicily pollutes less?

Dyed fuel has but one purpose. And thats an attempt to locate those running red fuel on the road for what amounts to fuel tax evasion.

 

[IbNoelS]

I agree it all about the taxation evasion issue here in the us.

In my area the convenience of the local taxed diesel station, about 100 yards away, verses traveling about 14 miles round trip for the nearest non-member regular station not the issued card systems & bill later stations the price difference doesn't amount to much when I consider my time and fuel costs.

but I only probable use 10 gallons a year. , a little more if I use my torpedo heater while working outside in freezing weather.

just my 2c

 

[radioman]

1*There is no such thing as EPA or IRS Red.
That's why you never heard about it .
2*There is no such thing as on road VS off road diesel only taxed or untaxed

really?!
Solvent Red 26 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Solvent Red 164 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Publication 510 (07/2011), Excise Taxes

What do you think lbrown after reading the source links?

 

[timswi]

........and that means the fuel contains too much sulphur to be used in an on-the-road vehicle.

What difference does on road or off road equipment make regarding the amount of pollution discharged assuming the same sulfer content of the fuel? OR for that matter if dyed fuel is higher in sulfer content, then the EPA is trying to tell us farm (or offroad) equipment magicly produces less pollution than road legal diesels?
Take an OTR truck for example that gets 6 mpg @ 60 mph, multiply that's 10 GPH compared to brand X farm tractor in the field burning 8 to 10 GPH, in general terms, theres no way the truck pollutes less than a tractor working in the field, on a gallon to gallon/hr comparison of fuel burned.
So what? farm equipment magicily pollutes less?

Dyed fuel has but one purpose. And thats an attempt to locate those running red fuel on the road for what amounts to fuel tax evasion.

I generally agree with you...Difference is that the OTR might get 150K per year on it...That's not going to happen with a farm tractor.