Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove?

   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #11  
that non powered unit could be an "additional backup unit" set at 35 degrees ( in case the main unit/power failed )

they make plumbing antifreeze for RV drains & toilets ....
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #12  
anyone running a pellet stove should have it on a battery or generator! the stoves need their electric fans for exhaust, and of course for blowing the warm air through the heat exchanger.

i am running a tripplite. i *think* it is THIS one. you can stack deep-cycle batteries for extended run times. they aren't cheap, but they're not unreasonable. the unit keeps the batteries charged and switches over automatically when AC line current isn't available. efficiency isn't bad.

we don't have an automatic generator, so for shorter outages when i just need to keep the house warm this works great.
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #13  
120W x 96 hours = 11.5kW-hrs. Start UPS research with this number.
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #14  
Pm me, i'm a ups guy...(professionally speaking of course)
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #15  
Hiya,

UPS's aren't designed for what your looking to do. Mainly the 120v APC models, up to and including the data center class "Smart-UPS" for bottom of rack type installs are "stand-by" type intended to hold up data and computer systems for a short time until stationary power generators come on line and supply power to the site. (APC does make large multiple rack/row and entire data center class UPS's however the ones I have worked with are 208v single phase or 230v 3 phase input so that presents a challenge in a residential setting.)

Even with a gigantic UPS the issue you would have is that once a UPS is "on battery" it's converting battery to AC non-stop irregardless of attached load demand until the batteries reach a state of discharge configured in the UPS setup, normally 80% discharge, then it shuts off waiting for the utility or genset power to come back before it switches on line voltage to the connected devices. (this is to protect the batteries from complete discharge damage)

If your really concerned that your house will suffer damage from a power outage you should consult a local heating firm and ask them about an integrated low temp monitoring/heating/stand by generation system. However, keep in mind that the power reliability in NH has improved in the last 8-10 years, when we were first here, we used to loose power at least 3 or 4 times a winter, now unless there is a major storm, such as the ice storm of '08 when were were without utility power for 9 days, we don't loose power.

My 2 cents,

Tom
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove?
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#16  
120W x 96 hours = 11.5kW-hrs. Start UPS research with this number.
It does not run continuously and demand varies from 56 to 121 watts.

A UPS seems to make sense for short term outages, we will need a generator for a longer period anyway. Still looking into it.
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #17  
how about the ups with deep cycle batteries .... and a car alternator with a small engine ( electric start ) outside with cables connected to the batteries ( ups shutdown warning triggers the electric starter ) so when the batteries are "low' , the engine kicks in and charges the batteries back up ... then a battery sensing circuit kills the engine ignition ( momentarily) when the battery reaches 14 V again ....

cycle of discharge and charge until power resumes or it runs out of propane gas for the engine , or the power comes back on ... ( note , the engine is converted to run on propane )
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #18  
I think your best bet is to buy a <thermostat controlled catalytic heater> (a search on those words will get some examples). At worst, all they need is a 12 volt DC or 120 VAC source for ignition. This could be provided by a solar panel, charge controller and battery. If you can't mount solar outside due to it being covered by snow, then you might be able to mount the solar panel indoors - you'd need to down rate the panel by about 30 percent due to the loss due to the window glass.

Or if you can keep solar panels free of snow, a solar array charging a battery bank would allow you to operate your current heaters. This would doubtless cost more than just adding a cat heater.

bumper
 
   / Uninterruptible Power Supply running Rinnai or pellet stove? #20  
It does not run continuously and demand varies from 56 to 121 watts.

A UPS seems to make sense for short term outages, we will need a generator for a longer period anyway. Still looking into it.

Ok, so 5.36kW-hrs to 11.5kw-hrs if continuous, so let's guess intermittent demand rate is 25%-50% of that, or somewhere between a 1.34 kW-hr to 5.75 kW-hr system.
 

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