Underground tank leak

[crashz]

I wasn’t there when they did it but how are you going to get 45 yards of dirt or sand through a fairly small hole in the top? Writing the check for runny concrete sounds like a cheaper option than trying to deal with that. The runny concrete got the job done fast and with minimal manual labor. They also want the tank ridged so it can’t collapse when something drives over it. It would be hard to ever get dirt packed in tight even if you did spread it by hand.

Right, the "runny concrete" is a Controlled Density Fill or Flow Fill. Once cured, it is an excavatable material that provides structural integrity as equivalent to stiff compacted earth fill. As Moss mentioned, the tanker was located in a an alley with heavy truck traffic. The soil there was supporting that traffic as well as the buildings to each side (assuming that the alley had larger buildings nearby). To ensure that there would be no structural damage to the surrounding buildings, the landowner needed to backfill the tanker in a manner that would not cause any voids in the soil. Filling with CDF is much cheaper than removing the tanker. Pulling it would likely require significant effort and engineered shoring.

 

[MossRoad]

Speaking of the angle of repose... this reminded me of the first time I was introduced to the concept by one of my sisters showing me ant lions in the yard. It's the reverse of a cone of dirt being dumped into a tank, but it's the same concept.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

My brother is a geologist and working with the EPA had a leaking oil tank removed 20 years ago at my parents home at no charge to them. They have a well also.
Me...I'd buy the property with that stipulation, the tank would be properly removed making sure no cost to you or seller would pay for removal.
My brother said federal funds are available for that. I'd want tanks removed before purchase. EPA will test well water, they do it all the time, hauling off any contaminated soil they process (burn). It's no big deal doing it correctly.

 

[Alan W.]

Funny when a fuel oil tank gets a hole you have to get remediation soil removed and replaced plus monitoring.
But when a tanker flips over on a main state hwy in front of my parents house spilling a couple thousand gallons of gas, they put some booms in the creek and sucked up what they could with a vac truck. No soil removed no follow up testing.

 

[BoylermanCT]

I'm a firefighter in CT, and we had an 8,000 gallon gas tanker roll over and lose its load about a month ago. The road was closed for 8 days and they dug up all the soil around the spill site, including the road itself. Replaced it all and repaved that section of road. The trucking company will go bankrupt if it does not have good insurance to pay for the cleanup.

 

[John Joseph McVeigh]

You also can have it in the deed stating
seller is responsible for any contamination
and have a lawyer make out the paper work
and have it notarized so you will be in the
clear.

willy

I believe that applicable laws make anyone in the chain of title responsible... at least as far back in time as the age of the tank. A clause in the sale contract that makes the seller responsible is all fine and dandy, but it is only as good as the seller's willingness and ability to honor its or his or her legal commitments. If the seller is an individual who, say, gets ill and faces massive medical costs, and then dies, such that there is little or nothing in the seller's estate, the seller's contractual commitment to hold the buyer harmless is worth nothing, and the buyer will still be on the hook for clean-up costs.

 

[marhar]

Can someone explain how strategically spilling millions of gallons of oil is legal on public property, but accidentally leaking on private property is illegal? Is it a scientific fact that oil on private land destroys the environment and oil on public land does no damage at all? If so, how do all the shopping centers get away with contaminating the top soil.
Please note the amount of oil being sprayed (3:28).

When I was a kid I remember the road going to Salt Lake City (I-80) was all concrete. Why change what was more environmentally friendly? The old highway was good for many businesses. Cars could rarely exceed 70mph without ending up on the shoulder. Shocks, tires and suspension components would wear quickly. Tow companies, tire, auto parts and of course, new car sales had great benefit from the old highway.
Where I live now, all the concrete is over passes above ground level. The Technology for concrete roads has come a long way over time.

This is just my observation that forms my uneducated opinion.

I remember 30+ or so years ago one could pay a private company to come and "oil" a gravel road with burned motor oil. The DOT would follow behind with a dump truck of sand. The sand and the oil would pack hard. Today, if one were to spray oil on a dirt road they might go to prison.

 

[Streetcar]

Depending on your soil type , removal of underground tank is not terrible expensive. Clay will minimize amount of soil contaminated. FYI common treatment for contaminated soil is to thinly spread on soil with air exposure. I have removed many tanks with big expense of removing contaminated granular materials. Without granular material removal was under$10000

 

[marhar]

I almost bought a house with an inground oil tank. Two questions..is this a foreclosure and are you getting a mortgage?

The home of interest is for sale by owner, as is where is. And it would not be a mortgage. All of that being said, I would have not protection. If I move forward I will either require the owner remove the tank and pay for an assessment or pay for an assessment and I will have the tank removed. The house is on municipal water but it has a well and so do the surrounding homes.

 

[marhar]

Be careful. Had a friend buy a commercial property. A previous owner had unground fuel tanks that he used to fuel equipment with. The previous owner also developed the land behind the business into a housing subdivision with wells and septic tanks.

About five years after my friend purchased the property people in the sub division got to complaining about their water tasting funny. The State Water Resources people started doing testing.

The testing lead to the unknown storage tanks. The civil suits started. The friend had to file for bankruptcy and never did recover.

Be very careful and don’t get holding the bill to clean up a mess made by someone else who did not believe in rules, regulations and laws.

I know of an old gas station that had borrowed money for a major overhaul. During the process they discovered a leaking underground tank. The owner went back to their bank to borrow money to clean the soil. The bank refused to loan money on the land. The owner quit paying on his note. The bank refused to foreclose on the property because the bank did not want the liability.