UFO's... What do you think?

[k0ua]

Interesting how the warriors are lining up on one side and the goat herders/berry pickers are sitting by the campfire singing songs.

 

[bumperm]

Interesting how the warriors are lining up on one side and the goat herders/berry pickers are sitting by the campfire singing songs.

Those two groups have never come together in agreement and worked for long in harmony. However, there was a time when there were masters and slaves - but I don't think that worked out so well either.

 

[k0ua]

Those two groups have never come together in agreement and worked for long in harmony. However, there was a time when there were masters and slaves - but I don't think that worked out so well either.

Yep, and when/if the guys visit us from outer space, guess who we are going to be? I suspect "the hewers of wood and the drawers of water".

Now I could be totally wrong on all of my assertions. But from what I have seen of our own earth's history when a highly advanced civilization comes into contact with a not so highly advanced civilization, well unless the highly advanced civilization exhibits restraint and does not interfere in the affairs of the less advanced civilization and does not exploit them, it will likely not be pretty.

 

[MossRoad]

I'll let you use my Firehill Moss. It's a great spot from which to observe the night heavens. And then the Owl Hoots!

Mighty obliged, Egon.

 

[troutsqueezer]

It isn't rockets per se that are going to get us to intergalactic travel. It's the folding of space-time. We've got a ways to go on that front. Although I do have a few ideas...

 

[k0ua]

It isn't rockets per se that are going to get us to intergalactic travel. It's the folding of space-time. We've got a ways to go on that front. Although I do have a few ideas...

Now, now, don't hold back, spill it.

 

[dave1949]

Agreed, all major tech advances come from war. During WWII so many technologies were discovered and advanced. Nothing like have to fight for your life to give people a big kick in the pants to invent something. After WWII so many of the things pioneered in the war were put to use and further developed. Example the space program. The space program would have never existed if not for WWII and the ****'s. The cold war provided another huge boost.. Talk all you want about resources wasted in war, not so.. LIVES are wasted in wars. Resources are applied in warfare at a much higher rate. I am telling you, anyone that comes here from out space will probably act more like a Klingon than a pacifist.

James, you are aware that the term "shooting star" is not a reference to guns? You cannot kill your way to the heavens. Most of your wartime advancements are related to bigger, badder and faster projectiles aimed with greater accuracy. That isn't the technology that will allow multiple light-years of travel.

The Large Hadron Collider could not be built in wartime and not without international peaceful cooperation. If it were to be destroyed by war, it would represent an enormous loss of invested resources. This is the equipment that builds our understanding of particle physics, perhaps along the path of knowledge required to conquer interstellar space.

Large Hadron Collider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The LHC was built in collaboration with over 10,000 scientists and engineers from over 100 countries, as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories.[3] It lies in a tunnel 27 kilometres (17 mi) in circumference, as deep as 175 metres (574 ft) beneath the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva, Switzerland. It is also the longest machine ever built.

 

[troutsqueezer]

Now, now, don't hold back, spill it.

There's this old diner I was in once. In the back storage room, down a couple of steps into the darkness...

 

[MossRoad]

There's only been two years of no war with U.S., NATO, and/or other European involvement during the 16 years since the start of construction and operation of the LHC. 1998 to present.

Lets face it... military advances trickle over to the civilian sector after every major conflict. Medicine, trauma treatment, emergency room techniques, radar, satellites, remote controls, drones, the U.S. highway system, communications systems, advances in vehicle motive power, suspensions, shipping, logistics.

You can pretty much guarantee that advances in space travel will come from the military. And by space travel, it doesn't necessarily mean human movement from point A to point B. It means moving equipment, robotics, logistics first. The major cost of space travel is keeping the dummy in the seat alive. No dummy = huge savings. If robots can do it, no life support is needed. All that will come mostly from the military first.

 

[sailorman]

I can 't testify about all UFO 's . I can definitely state my people did not crash at Roswell , however we are among you .

 

[Egon]

Interesting how the warriors are lining up on one side and the goat herders/berry pickers are sitting by the campfire singing songs.

Just getting ready to remove the pests from the berry patch!

 

[dave1949]

There's only been two years of no war with U.S., NATO, and/or other European involvement during the 16 years since the start of construction and operation of the LHC. 1998 to present.

Lets face it... military advances trickle over to the civilian sector after every major conflict. Medicine, trauma treatment, emergency room techniques, radar, satellites, remote controls, drones, the U.S. highway system, communications systems, advances in vehicle motive power, suspensions, shipping, logistics.

You can pretty much guarantee that advances in space travel will come from the military. And by space travel, it doesn't necessarily mean human movement from point A to point B. It means moving equipment, robotics, logistics first. The major cost of space travel is keeping the dummy in the seat alive. No dummy = huge savings. If robots can do it, no life support is needed. All that will come mostly from the military first.

There have been skirmishes in the NATO sphere, but nothing remotely approaching WWI & II within the LHC's lifetime.

When you begin with a premise of war as a given, then this becomes something akin to a self-perpetuating, self-fulfilling prophesy situation. Since a huge amount of resources (out of a limited number available) are put into preparing for, executing and dealing with the follow-on results of war, obviously some of the technological gains will be re-purposed for other secondary goals--because war-related is where the needed resources are to be found.

It's also obviously true that those same resources and more (modern warfare is not a profit making endeavor and much of the resources consumed are useless for anything but war) could have been committed to a primary goal other than war.

You can see how easy it is to say that war is a major technological driver--and that will always be true by necessity--until we give peace a chance. It is a case of creating our own truth and not being able to comprehend anything different than our own creation. Imagine 2000 years of more peace than war.

 

[/pine]

Military operations and endeavors may contribute to technology but technology developed by the space program(s) have probably had more affect on the current average American's life...

NASA Technologies Benefit Our Lives

 

[houstonscott]

Well, for now it's just man and some lights in the sky. Not one piece of evidence the other way. Enjoy the lights. HS

 

[Egon]

Just remember that some types of insect are plenty numerous and have a social organization.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Just remember that some types of insect are plenty numerous and have a social organization.

Wow! Your worst nightmare...a spear chucking Centipede!