Truck rant. And don't know what to do.

   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #141  
Background: I have been a Nissan guy since 1984. Brand loyal all the way. And I've had great cars and trucks along the way. Then, in 2003 it was clear that I needed a full sized 4 door 4wd pick up. Nissan did not make one at that time so I bought a new Ford F150 Super Crew. I was never real happy with it. Steers like a yacht. Bounces and wobbles like a '75 Cadillac Fleetwood. Braking is always questionable. Rear window leaked from the get go. AC went out, to the tune of $1000, with only about 50k miles on it. Fit and trim in the interior is a joke. I still have it. It is my farm truck. Beat to heck but still running and I love it for that.

I replaced it about 4 years ago with a 2015 Nissan Titan 4 door Pro-4x model that I bought used with low miles. It has been an absolute turd. I love how it tows and it has great torque. Steers well. Brakes okay. But, transmission had to be replaced because it would roll away in 'Park' and would frequently not allow the truck to start because it 'thought' it wasn't in 'Park'. Entire head unit/nav had to be replaced because the volume and several other switches quit working. Its got a cacophony of squeaks and rattles. I mean bad. The interior trim is garbage. The five speed tranny always up shifts waaay to soon and downshifts waaaay to late. "Tow Mode" does not help with that. The heater switch failed which I fixed myself. The rear diff is leaking. The ride is terrible on anything but smooth interstate. The trim on the driver side window doesn't fit and there is constant wind noise in my left ear. Now the blend doors for the heat and AC have gone bad and my wife and I just rode home from dinner in an expensive truck freezing because of no heat. Because of the nav/head unit being in the way the entire dash has to be removed to replace the little electric motor and lever that moves the blend doors. This has been a known issue with these trucks since 2005 and still is on a 2015.....kind of like leaky rear windows in Fords. The cost of repair? $1000.

So this was the last straw. I have to get rid of this thing....and I usually keep cars until they die or get killed. Am I bashing Nissan? Yes, I think so. But, I've been a loyal customer since 1984....I've owned 10 of them and still have an Infiniti coupe that I love. My track car is an old 350Z. So maybe I have the right? Did I just get a lemon? Maybe. Doesn't matter. I've lost my faith in them.

I know that asking what brand of pickup to buy is probably worse than bringing up politics or religion but at this point I don't even have any idea where to look. Maybe I need to subscribe to Consumer Reports but in years past they did a lousy job of evaluating trucks because they always compared them to cars.

I will buy used. I need 4 doors, 4wd, minimum towing capacity of 8000 pounds. Toyota has always had the quality reputation but also the price tag to go along with it. I'm interested in brand neutral advice. And I know someone is going to tell me they have a Titan that has 600,000 miles on it, gets 40 miles to the gallon and still has that new car smell. I guess that's unavoidable.

I will certainly look at Ford and I did when I was looking to replace my F150. Two things turned me off from the Ford 1) I'm not interested....at all...in the V6 Eco-Boost. 2) It was almost impossible without a VIN to tell the exact towing and gearing specs and trim levels on Fords at that time and even then it was questionable. So I gave up.

Anyway, open to sage advice. And thanks for listening to the rant. I feel better already........but that might be the bourbon.
I like my Ford F150. Great truck for me.
I wish it had the ride and feel of a Chevy truck!
Ford has never been able to figure out the steering geometry.
It seems like Chevy's are wonderful until they get some wear and tear but then quit.
Fords take a lot of abuse and seemingly will never quit but will start to lose little parts or functions endlessly.
The only thing I can really say for sure is I'm glad I will never have to buy one of your used trucks! Bad luck for sure!
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #142  
IIRC, the 2.7L and the new 3.0L EcoBoosts have CGI blocks like the 6.7L diesel.
The 3.5L EcoBoost had/has a "normal" block.

Aaron Z

Gusseisen mit Vermiculargraphit! Thank you.

I couldn't remember the term (GGV, CGI, and others depending on where in the world you're in) or the relative weight between the 3.5L aluminum block and CGI block without looking it up. Now I'm wondering if Navistar was involved with the development?
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #143  
Gusseisen mit Vermiculargraphit! Thank you.

I couldn't remember the term (GGV, CGI, and others depending on where in the world you're in) or the relative weight between the 3.5L aluminum block and CGI block without looking it up. Now I'm wondering if Navistar was involved with the development?
Looking at https://media.ford.com/content/dam/...2021/f150/pdfs/2021-F-150-Technical-Specs.pdf here are a list of curb weights for the various motor options and their weight vs the base model 3.3L V6:
EngineCurb weightWeight vs 3.3L
3.3L Ti-VCT V6
4,465​
0​
2.7L EcoBoost V6
4,584​
119​
5.0L Ti-VCT V8
4,661​
196​
3.5L EcoBoost V6
4,696​
231​
3.0L Power Stroke V6
5,243​
778​
3.5L PowerBoost Full Hybrid V6
5,260​
795​


Aaron Z
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #144  
I’m guessing those weights are for 2 wheel drive. Maybe low options. Mine is a Super Cab 4x4 XLT, it weighs around 5000 pounds. It is an older 2017 but I doubt the weight has changed a lot.
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #145  
I’m guessing those weights are for 2 wheel drive. Maybe low options. Mine is a Super Cab 4x4 XLT, it weighs around 5000 pounds. It is an older 2017 but I doubt the weight has changed a lot.
Yes, it was a 2wd Supercrew with a 5.5' bed (they only had curb weights for the Supercrew)
I was just posting to show the differences in drivetrain weight for what was otherwise the same truck.

Aaron Z
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #147  
If I recall automotive lore, Ford started the 3.5L ecoboost by taking a Mazda 3.0L diesel design, stroking it, gasifying it, slapping Warner turbos on it, and keeping the over-built lower end.
I find nothing to support such claim, and much supporting the claim Ford provided complete V6s to Mazda who made a few in Japan for foreign markets.

In 2018 Ford redesigned the 3.5 completely solving the original problems.
Not so sure they fixed. Phaser problems persist. Perhaps not as common as before. It screams of a lubrication issue but do not know anyone trying to correlate choice of oil to failure, or lack of failure.

Anyway, the 2.7L I believe is a complete copy of the new 3.5L except it has a smaller, lighter block. Because of the lighter weight block somewhere somebody thought that it should not be rated the same as the 3.5L and (even if it is the same block as the larger 3.5L), I'm guessing for marketing reasons likely held the big tow numbers off for the 3.5L.
The 2.7EB Nano shares nothing with the 3.5EB. And strangely enough the 2.7EB, 3.5EB, and 5.0 Coyote weigh darn near the same.

The 2.7EB Nano is perhaps Ford’s most advanced production engine. CGI cylinder block plus an aluminum sub cradle. Cracked con rod big ends, cracked main bearing crankshaft bearing caps. Cylinder head and exhaust manifold is a single casting, turbochargers bolt direct.
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #148  
I find nothing to support such claim, and much supporting the claim Ford provided complete V6s to Mazda who made a few in Japan for foreign markets.


Not so sure they fixed. Phaser problems persist. Perhaps not as common as before. It screams of a lubrication issue but do not know anyone trying to correlate choice of oil to failure, or lack of failure.


The 2.7EB Nano shares nothing with the 3.5EB. And strangely enough the 2.7EB, 3.5EB, and 5.0 Coyote weigh darn near the same.

The 2.7EB Nano is perhaps Ford’s most advanced production engine. CGI cylinder block plus an aluminum sub cradle. Cracked con rod big ends, cracked main bearing crankshaft bearing caps. Cylinder head and exhaust manifold is a single casting, turbochargers bolt direct.
My wifes Mazda 3 was identical to the Ford probe rental car I had on a business trip. Only difference was the dash and badging.
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #149  
I find nothing to support such claim, and much supporting the claim Ford provided complete V6s to Mazda who made a few in Japan for foreign markets.


Not so sure they fixed. Phaser problems persist. Perhaps not as common as before. It screams of a lubrication issue but do not know anyone trying to correlate choice of oil to failure, or lack of failure.


The 2.7EB Nano shares nothing with the 3.5EB. And strangely enough the 2.7EB, 3.5EB, and 5.0 Coyote weigh darn near the same.

The 2.7EB Nano is perhaps Ford’s most advanced production engine. CGI cylinder block plus an aluminum sub cradle. Cracked con rod big ends, cracked main bearing crankshaft bearing caps. Cylinder head and exhaust manifold is a single casting, turbochargers bolt direct.

As I recall, I read the idea of taking a small diesel and taking design elements from the now-defunct truthaboutcars website from well over a decade ago. As it is, a twelve-year-old article showed up in the first couple of links on a search. While not collaborating the original design origin, it did begin explaining, "Ford Motor Co. said today it will borrow more diesel engine technology to develop the second generation of the EcoBoost engine" (emphasis, mine).


That said, everybody in the industry has problems with phasers.

With regard to the difference among the 2.7, 3.5, and 5.0 I'll take you at your word. I do stand behind my towing-rating remark likely due to marketing as the last generation of the 7.3L diesel was intensionally under-rated because Ford-Navistar wanted to make a splash with their (then) soon the be released 6.0L (which was a steaming pile of poo and was replaced by the even worse 6.4L steaming pile of excrement).
 
   / Truck rant. And don't know what to do. #150  
No replacement for displacement. Get you a V8 in whatever brand you find comfortable.
Personally I would recommend a diesel truck and then you won't have to worry if you have enough truck to tow anything you have. ;)

Interesting you mentioned a Nissan Titan. My brother has a 2018 Nissan Titan Platinum Reserve and I got to drive it a few hours towing a trailer. I found it extremely comfortable and fun to drive.
 

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