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to OP:

So do you have a picture of said tree?
Approximate size, height, distance from shed etc?

I think two good suggestions were made. A bucket truck or a manlift.
A real one (manlift), not the cheap day rental tow behinds.
Get one from Sunbelt rental a JLG will have the weight to handle a few mishaps. Like a short limb falling inside your work space.

Plus with a JLG you can reach out and start limbing back in short pieces until it's down to 5 to 6 foot stump.
A full day of limbing is better then days of frustration of not getting businesses to return calls.
Plus the mobility of a JLG means you should not have any issues of accessing any of the limbs.
 
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Wood chipper is worth their weight in gold IMO. I'm always amazed at how many trailer loads a small tree can fill. My burn pile is also getting ridiculously high.
Yes! I had a good friend who passed recently at 98 who gave me a Kemp 60s chipper (I put $100 in his pocket)...I put one of those harbor freight $99 special 6.5hp motors on it, had to make a few tines...but it's amazing What it will do. I bet I've chipped 2 truckloads. 3" limbs like nothin!
 
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You do realize that this is their busy season. You might want to try again in the early spring and/or late fall (or even winter) when work drops off. Sucks to be ignored, but most tree guys are straight out this time of year.

That having been said, I had a hard time finding anyone willing/able to take down a "difficult" tree at one of my work clients' location.
 
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If I had a tree that made me nervous I would check with rental places about renting a bucket truck for a day.
I had a tree like that here and I heard woodcutters working next door. Guy said he would come over and cut it down within 6ft. of ground for $450 cash.
It took him about 15-20 minutes. With bucket truck he whacked limbs starting at top working his way down. As he went he just tossed limbs to the side.
I paid him and I made the final cut and hauled everything off.
My point is no matter what the tree, with a good bucket truck it's not that big of a deal.
$1200+/hour ain't bad (for him).
600 cash for 3 trees like the one pictured put on the ground. I didn't want a bucket truck on my septic field. They were out of the tow behinds, said electric contractors rent them all out and keep them?
 
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Tree guys, carpenters, builders, painters, plumbers are ALL jammed up with more work than they know how to handle, and that is a bigger problem today than ever before. Most of the guys working the trades, most, NOT all, are not highly skilled when it comes to being organized. They're also pretty lousy communicators.
And the good tree guys this time of year are booked out weeks, if not months ahead. If weather interferes, it totally screws up their schedules. I know this from when I did climbing and ground work for a large tree company. Individual trees are not a huge priority, keeping crews of workers busy is. Small operations may be able to fit a single tree into their schedule when weather breaks or changes in their favor. For most it's hardly worth the time to go out to quote a job for one tree.
I have guys that have worked for me for years come out when it is convenient for them. Recently I hired guys from my neighbor's yard, and had them come to the house to quote a bunch of trees to take down. I give them the wood, they chip and grind for a set price/# of trees. Otherwise they just move to their next job. Sometimes one can get lucky through referral, or just seeing a reputable crew who's working someone else's job. Stop by, ask for the owner, or in charge guy, and see what you can do to get them to stop by and give a quote.
Just because you want a tree done now doesn't mean it's their issue, one has to be patient. Most guys who run reputable tree services do quotes on weekends or real early morning or after work.
 
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Just because you want a tree done now doesn't mean it's their issue, one has to be patient. Most guys who run reputable tree services do quotes on weekends or real early morning or after work.

It is an issue when they say they will be at my house and then blow it off without a word. I leave work early and plan my time around them, and they dont have the respect to take 30 seconds to text or call me and at least say they wont be able to make it.
 
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I found a guy - insured, legit, and showed up. Quote was less than I thought it would be. So no worries~
 
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Tree guys, carpenters, builders, painters, plumbers are ALL jammed up with more work than they know how to handle, and that is a bigger problem today than ever before. Most of the guys working the trades, most, NOT all, are not highly skilled when it comes to being organized. They're also pretty lousy communicators.
And the good tree guys this time of year are booked out weeks, if not months ahead.

Try being in the HVAC business on the first 90 degree day of summer, and first sub 30 degree day in winter, added those hot summer and cold winter months after those "first" days LOL

This is why customers tend to complain about pricing on HVAC companies when their buddy who does side work out of his house says they're being charged too much.

Most people who are good at a trade can not only be a horrible communicator, but also a can be a horrible businessman. Ask a contractor what his cost of doing business is in a percentage vs sales and he'll give you a blank stare.

All that said, a good business principal is to ALWAYS get back to a potential customer quickly, even if you can't do the work. That's just common courtesey which reflects on your business principals IMO.

I had to have the shingles replaced on my roof a couple of years after we bought our house. I called 6 contractors (in December) because the first 3 wouldn't pick up the phone. The contractor who did the job was from the county over, and he originally wasn't going to come out to quote the job because (after talking with him and asking him why) he said my county was nortorious to his business that he was always too high and that the homeowners would just get their relatives to help them out to do the work. I asked him if he was licensed and insured, which he said he was, and I asked him how long he's been in business, which was over 12 years. I told him to come out and price it, and assured him I didn't have any relatives living in the county LOL. He gave me what both my wife and I thought was a reasonable price for what we wanted, and he even came out the day before Christmas to do the job (I remember that day, beautiful for doing work outside, mid 60's and not a cloud in the sky). Thing is, in March I actually had a contractor finally call me back asking me if he still wanted to quote me on the roof.

Do remember one tree guy who started the job on trees, and he told me he'd have everything done by Friday (2 day job), and Friday rolls around and I get home from work at the end of the day and the job isn't finished yet, the guy left, but the guy calls me and wants to be paid in full. Told him that's not how I operate. I did pay the tree stump grinder guy the guy "sub'ed out" to finish the stumps the following week. Talking with the tree stump guy, he confirmed my suspicions that I should never hire this same "tree guy" again.

And I happen to agree with the OP as it has happened to me in the past before. You set an appointment, and no one shows up and never even calls you AFTER the appointment. Kind of like your appointment never existed.

I have an appointment with a customer at 0900, and if I see I'm running a little late, I'll ALWAYS call or text and let them know what time I should be there and apologize for being late. Just common courtesy.

All that said, there are some very interesting homeowners out there that I do believe have some unrealistic expectations. I don't believe I'm one of them though.
 
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We had a huge storm a year ago with a tornado very close to my house. I have small forest and had several trees go down near the house with one resting on the garage roof (no damage to garage or shingles). I called one service and didn't get a response. The second one I called came out that day to look and had it removed before they said they would. They said they would come on Saturday and actually came on Friday. I had three other trees that were less critical and he got them done in a pretty timely manner considering all the storm damage in the area. Of course he did like the fact that all I asked for was to put them on the ground. I took care of all of the cleanup (I heat with wood).

The first guy showed up on Sunday morning with a lame story. I told him I understood how busy they were, but I never got any return calls.

Doug in SW IA
 
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One of my best and lifelong friends is a tree service owner. If you called him right now, you would looking at fall/winter at best before he could possibly get to you. He does not advertise at all, he get's more word-of-mouth than he can deal with already. He is also an expert tree climber, he has multiple high reach bucket trucks and likely $500,000-$700,000 or more in equipment. He is the guy that other tree services tell you to call if a situation is so ugly that no one wants to deal with it.

He never answers the phone for new unknown numbers, everything goes to voice mail. He is always over booked, being pushed around by weather and getting more calls and work than he knows what to do with. My father had a tree reaching out over a building the he owned, and it took my buddy a year to get to it. But he did get to it and he never touched the building so my father was frustrated with the time, yet pleased in the end.

I try to go out 1 or 2 days a year to help my buddy on a job. I'll tell you this, it is fast paced and HARD work. It is nothing like me in my property out doing the firewood gig. Ropes are being slung, machines are moving, bucket trucks are dropping branches, saws are running, trucks are coming and going, the giant chipper is eating entire trees and spitting into trucks.... it is controlled chaos at times.

He has a metric crap load of money in equipment, but he can clear your wooded lot to dirt in a day or 2. And if you have a true emergency and need him to get to you pronto, you better have your wallet open wide! He will do it, but not for sane money! But it's okay, he has more good paying work lined up and more calls coming at him than he could possibly deal with.

No advertising, no website, no facebook page.... just word of mouth.
 
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He is also an expert tree climber

THAT'S the hard part.

Anyone can buy a bucket truck and pay guys $10 an hour to cut limbs down or perhaps fell a tree in a critical direction, but to be able to climb trees, tie knots, work with rope and still have two chain saws (small one for limbs, larger one for trunk as you're working down) on you takes REAL skill.

We had a bunch of river birches hanging over the house when we first bought it (going 20' well over the house and deck), and no way did I want to even try and touch it. Lucked out that the guy that came had a lead guy that was amazing what he could do up in a tree by himself with a chain saw and rope. Owner went out of business and never found out where that guy went to.
 
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I had one guy show up in a 1976 Oldsmobile, with a chainsaw, and an aluminum ladder. He gave me a good price, but when I asked him if he was bonded and insured, he said "You got home insurance, ain't ya?"
 
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I had one guy show up in a 1976 Oldsmobile, with a chainsaw, and an aluminum ladder. He gave me a good price, but when I asked him if he was bonded and insured, he said "You got home insurance, ain't ya?"

:shocked: ie, see craiglist.
 
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THAT'S the hard part.

Anyone can buy a bucket truck and pay guys $10 an hour to cut limbs down or perhaps fell a tree in a critical direction, but to be able to climb trees, tie knots, work with rope and still have two chain saws (small one for limbs, larger one for trunk as you're working down) on you takes REAL skill.

We had a bunch of river birches hanging over the house when we first bought it (going 20' well over the house and deck), and no way did I want to even try and touch it. Lucked out that the guy that came had a lead guy that was amazing what he could do up in a tree by himself with a chain saw and rope. Owner went out of business and never found out where that guy went to.


I can barely even watch this.
Climbing 9 ft. Ash removal - YouTube
 
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I had one guy show up in a 1976 Oldsmobile, with a chainsaw, and an aluminum ladder. He gave me a good price, but when I asked him if he was bonded and insured, he said "You got home insurance, ain't ya?"

I doubt home insurace covers paying some hack cash. Even if it did, what is going to happen when he mangles his leg and is crippled for life while doing cash work for you?
 
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I doubt home insurace covers paying some hack cash. Even if it did, what is going to happen when he mangles his leg and is crippled for life while doing cash work for you?
He will sue you for a million bucks...

Aaron Z
 
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What's difficult about watching a pro work? Climbing with a rope is safer than using ladders. I did the same work the video shows except back in the '60s there were no chain brakes, carabiners in use, helmets or ear or eye protection; and worst of all the brush chippers screamed at a head pounding pitch. They had a cylindrical drum with razor sharp blades bolted to the drum and NO safety bar to grab if one was being dragged to their death by the machine.
You'll notice the climber has spikes on his boots to climb the tree, then tie in with his climbing line. Next he goes from leader to leader limbing and dropping the leaders and branches, with a loop of rope he wraps around the leader/limb. This he connects to his lowering line, which in this tree he has running through a pulley to speed up the lowering process.
This type of work is a lot safer today with the equipment upgrades the climbers use today. In most instances, in a residential yard, if one is climbing to thin or prune and not drop an entire tree, the initial climbing from the ground is done without spikes so there is no bark damage. Instead the climber tosses a bag with some weight to get a rope into the tree, then pulls himself up to a point where he can climb higher and so on.

Rock Crawler is spot on. The company I worked for was the largest independent service in Bergen County, NJ, in the day. We had 2, 100 foot telescoping cranes, a bunch of chipper trucks and a few stump grinders. And so many Stihl saws you couldn't count them! A bunch of climbers, including me, and a bunch of ground crew guys. Flatbeds and dumpers for loading logs and hauling chips, etc. We worked everywhere and the head owner and his brother spent countless hours quoting jobs, every day.
It was grueling, back breaking work, and it kept us busy as bird-dogs. Most of the guys were Nam Vets, and really good guys to work with. I started on the ground and worked my way to the tree climbing. My training was on the job, and watching the guys with experience. I was given a climbing line and told to go home one weekend and practice climbing with spikes. I was scared ****eless when I came to work on Monday. They told me to climb a tree, and I told them to leave me alone and not to say a word. I eventually climbed up, slowly, shaking like a leaf. I sweat out several gallons of water from my pores and then gradually became a climber over that summer. Once I got the hang of it I was alright, but still got scared when I had to work really high at places where I was alone with no ground crew. I nearly got chipped up a couple of times by myself - a feeling you never forget, fighting getting pulled into the shoot with branches trying to drag you to a gruesome death. I was between 14-18 during my pro tree work stint. It was good money, but no amount is worth dying for.

They did advertise, and had signs all over every truck, crane truck, etc. The phone never ever stopped ringing, ever. It was nutz! No web, no cell phones, etc, so we had to return calls and book jobs, but we were weeks out at an absolute minimum. Referrals and commercial jobs got top priority, then everyone else, first come, first served. The outfit now does all of Rockland county, NY AND the 5 boroughs of NYC now too.
 
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What's difficult about watching a pro work?

Scared of heights. I have a physical reaction to that video even when sitting in a chair with both feet on the floor and both hands on the desk.
I can work on a single story, but above that - nope.
 
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THAT'S the hard part.

Anyone can buy a bucket truck and pay guys $10 an hour to cut limbs down or perhaps fell a tree in a critical direction, but to be able to climb trees, tie knots, work with rope and still have two chain saws (small one for limbs, larger one for trunk as you're working down) on you takes REAL skill.<snip>

I think one of the biggest things is many people are afraid to get off the ground and 20 foot or more up in an unstable environment.

When I was young (< 15) I was all the time climbing in trees and on any roof I could get to. In and after college for several years I worked as a roofer, usually doing multi story business buildings.

When I raised my children I made sure they all knew how to climb trees and get on roofs safely. Just about as important as knowing how to swim.

I rarely see anyone climbing with 2 saws, usually they climb with one top-handle then pull a larger one up if and when they need it.

And the saws have changed, When I cut down the tree I showed previously I had my standard Stihl 021, which took 1 or 2 pulls to start. Now I use a B&D 40V chainsaw instant on/instant off. A LOT easier. Now IF I could afford a 6 to 7 hundred dollar Stihl topsaw that would be nice. But the wife says since I bought the last two chainsaws 7 are enough.
 
 
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