Traveller Universal Tractor/Hydraulic Fluid

[AxleHub]

Keep in mind, most hydraulic oil appears to be 10w30 also.

Don't swallow the kool-aid...

Greetings TSO,

I think anyone who reads my posts is pretty certain I'm not a kool aid kinda guy either in method, reasoning, or liquid lol.

Just for you . . While working out in the yard this afternoon . . I wore my suspenders on backwards

 

[TSO]

Greetings TSO,

I think anyone who reads my posts is pretty certain I'm not a kool aid kinda guy either in method, reasoning, or liquid lol.

Just for you . . While working out in the yard this afternoon . . I wore my suspenders on backwards

Lol...


My kid brother is a crew chief in the Air Force. Don't remember which planes he specializes in though. But ... The info he has is specific to the plane(s) he is trained on, and that knowledge is specific to what he was told by his instructors. Basically, here's the manual, follow it to a T for simplicity and duplication, since they have new crew chiefs constantly. He compared themselves to trained monkeys.

It doesn't mean he has specialized knowledge in that field that would grant him expertise on industry fluids... It just means that he can follow the owners and service manual, and so, for example, if Boeing says (use Boeing oil) that's what they use, purchased in bulk, simply because that's what the manual says.

Don't grant honorary doctorates degrees when they aren't necessarily due...

And I agree, your posts are typically informative and well thought out.

 

[ray66v]

Think of it real basically. Synthetic oil and conventional oil carry many of the same certification specs . . but you sure don't mix them now do you?

You certainly can mix them now, in an engine if you want to.

You cannot change your engine from one, to the other without mixing them.

The oil companies have gone to great lengths to make them compatible for that reason. People do it all the time; there is lots of fear. But, where are all the horror stories to back it up?

Much of what people believe about oil, is based on outdated information. This often leads to paranoia, and, incorrect assumptions.

 

[LD1]

Manufactures even mix synthetic and dino and call it blended.

I personally dont like mixing them. I like to run synthetic. Why would I want to mix a dino in with it? Not that it would be incompatible or anything, but I run synthetic for the longer oil life. Which those benefits would be negated a bit running a mix with some dino.

 

[KubotaToy]

You cannot change... without mixing them.

:thumbsup:

At least for engine oil changes you get most of the oil out but not all. Based on my recent experience with construction equipment, when changing hydraulic or transmission oils, you will only get half of the old oil out unless you are going to take lines and coolers off. I am changing the power train oil on my D4H and only drained about 20 gals of a 31 gal system (the hydraulic system on my LB330 keeps over half the old oil), told by a very knowledgeable and experienced sage that companies take that into account when spec'ing service intervals and oils.

 

[ray66v]

:thumbsup:

At least for engine oil changes you get most of the oil out but not all. Based on my recent experience with construction equipment, when changing hydraulic or transmission oils, you will only get half of the old oil out unless you are going to take lines and coolers off. I am changing the power train oil on my D4H and only drained about 20 gals of a 31 gal system (the hydraulic system on my LB330 keeps over half the old oil), told by a very knowledgeable and experienced sage that companies take that into account when spec'ing service intervals and oils.

The best example of this, is an automatic transmission on a car.

The standard service is to drop the pan, clean or replace the filter, and replace the 5 quarts or so, of oil you drained. But, there is still about 7 quarts in the lines, valve body, and torque converter. All that mixes with your new oil with. How many million times has this been done?

Even if you spend the money, to have it hooked up to one of those machines that promises to pump out the old oil, there is still going to be some of that mixing with the new.

 

[Kenneth S]

Lets say you have a brand new Massey Ferguson, and your neighbor has a brand new John Deere, and you have to barrow a implement that require hydraulics of some sort from each other you have started the mixing of different "original equipment manufacturers recommended oil". Its the same way with construction equipment, the same attachment being hooked between different brands of equipment like a hydraulic hammer for breaking rocks being used on a Caterpillar excavator, then a Komatsu, then a John Deere, etc. The worst things are excessive contaminates in the oil, and getting run low on oil.

 

[AxleHub]

Lets say you have a brand new Massey Ferguson, and your neighbor has a brand new John Deere, and you have to barrow a implement that require hydraulics of some sort from each other you have started the mixing of different "original equipment manufacturers recommended oil". Its the same way with construction equipment, the same attachment being hooked between different brands of equipment like a hydraulic hammer for breaking rocks being used on a Caterpillar excavator, then a Komatsu, then a John Deere, etc. The worst things are excessive contaminates in the oil, and getting run low on oil.

A little confused Kenneth. If the implement is thebthing that needs the fluid . . You'd use the implement's recommendation . . not the tractor's. And if its about the tractor . you and your neighbor each have new tractors . . why would you need to borrow the others' tractor?

 

[Kenneth S]

A little confused Kenneth. If the implement is thebthing that needs the fluid . . You'd use the implement's recommendation . . not the tractor's. And if its about the tractor . you and your neighbor each have new tractors . . why would you need to borrow the others' tractor?

Its not about barrowing the others tractor, its about if you barrow an implement from a neighbor. The implement uses the hydraulic oil that the tractor uses, then you barrow the implement, and use it behind your tractor which is a different brand of tractor than what brand of tractor your neighbor has.

 

[w1ebb]

And if goes back to the old saying, "Oil is oil. NOT!"
Different additive packages make the difference!
I once owned a truck that used ATF in its 4 speed manual transmission.
Many years ago (early 80's) I used ARCO Graphite motor oil in all my vehicles, but since Atlantic-Richfield pulled their products out of Louisiana, I use Castrol in all my gas burners and Shell Rotella T in the tractor.
People swear that gasoline is different by brands, so is motor oil!
There is a brand of cheap oil sold at the $stores that states on the back label, "Not for use in modern engines built after 1934(?)."
I know a guy that thought "oil is oil" and topped off the engine in his riding mower. Ten minutes later, O
out came the piston rod through the case.
The culprit? 80W90 gear oil!
Oil is different because of the different additives used during its production.

Scott

 

[TSO]

And if goes back to the old saying, "Oil is oil. NOT!"
Different additive packages make the difference!
I once owned a truck that used ATF in its 4 speed manual transmission.
Many years ago (early 80's) I used ARCO Graphite motor oil in all my vehicles, but since Atlantic-Richfield pulled their products out of Louisiana, I use Castrol in all my gas burners and Shell Rotella T in the tractor.
People swear that gasoline is different by brands, so is motor oil!
There is a brand of cheap oil sold at the $stores that states on the back label, "Not for use in modern engines built after 1934(?)."
I know a guy that thought "oil is oil" and topped off the engine in his riding mower. Ten minutes later, O
out came the piston rod through the case.
The culprit? 80W90 gear oil!
Oil is different because of the different additives used during its production.

Scott

That's rather silly...

Of course 80w90 is different than say 5w30. I'm certainly not advocating that "oil is oil" and I don't think anyone else is either.

 

[w1ebb]

Hi TSO,
Oh no, I never thought or stated you said that! Its just that there are so many people out there that will say that. It has been very recently pointed out to me that "antifreeze is antifreeze, NOT!" And it was explained why, and I agree with his reasoning.

When you travel to different parts of the country, isnt the ***air*** different?

Good fortune!

Scott

 

[ray66v]

Most people don't realize it, but 80-90w gear oil, and 30w engine oil, are the basically the same viscosity, at room temp. So is hydraulic transmission oil. This fact upsets some people, but if you do your research, you will see it's true.

The viscosity varies slightly, depending on the brand. But, they come in around 30w, on the motor oil scale.

The difference between them, is mostly the additives. Same with a cheap oil vs, a good oil.

The gear oil scale is NOT the same as as motor oil, giving people the impression it's heavier, because it's 80w. It is not. Pour them side by side, you can easily see this.

The 80-90w lawnmower engine story doesn't sound right. It's hard to get an engine to throw a rod in ten minutes, even if you drain all the oil out. Plenty of YouTube video's to illustrate this. If it indeed happened that way, it was ready to throw the rod anyway.

Gear oil is of course entirely wrong for that application, but, it's still lubrication.

 

[w1ebb]

I didn't stand there and time it with my watch. I was going on the word of my neighbor, when he asked me to fix it. I asked him what had happened, and that's what he said. I guess it could be said that "I quoted my neighbor." Next time I will use quotation marks and give the proper credits.
Haha!

Good fortune!

Scott

 

[ray66v]

I didn't stand there and time it with my watch. I was going on the word of my neighbor, when he asked me to fix it. I asked him what had happened, and that's what he said. I guess it could be said that "I quoted my neighbor." Next time I will use quotation marks and give the proper credits.
Haha!

Good fortune! Scott

Sorry Scott. Not doubting you. Just doubting the story.

Especially, when said, he just topped it off.

 

[w1ebb]

Its all good. In fact, he is not "my friend" but rather a neighbor I put up with. He is a bit of a loud mouth and thinks he knows everything, but can't fix a thing. I had to put a short block on that mower for him.

Good fortune!

Scott

 

[JWR]

TSO has the calm, cool and best - basis comment. I agree 100%.

 

[w1ebb]

Are you saying hydraulic transmission oil and atf are more or less the same viscosity or weight? Because my previously mentioned S-10 with 4.3 and 4 speed wouldn't hardly shift gears when I changed fluids in the transmission. I wasn't paying attention to what came out and put straight 30 wt in it. Dadgum thing took a long while to get where it shifted easily again. That transmission required atf to shift smoothly and easily. If the two fluids are approximately the same weight and viscosity, the additives package in the atf made the difference, because it was formulated to be different. Is that right?

Scott

 

[w1ebb]

Are you saying hydraulic transmission oil and atf are more or less the same viscosity or weight? Because my previously mentioned S-10 with 4.3 and 4 speed wouldn't hardly shift gears when I changed fluids in the transmission. I wasn't paying attention to what came out and put straight 30 wt in it. Dadgum thing took a long while to get where it shifted easily again. That transmission required atf to shift smoothly and easily. If the two fluids are approximately the same weight and viscosity, the additives package in the atf made the difference, because it was formulated to be different. Is that right?

Scott

 

[Kenneth S]

They used fiber lined synchronizers on later model manual transmissions which why atf is recommended. Another plus to using atf made them easier to shift in cold weather. The atf is formulated different because of the fibers used in the transmissions.