trailers again...

[Pks]

Gary,

You have me convinced. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif There's one problem, my piggy bank only has 2500 Georgi Boys and I need the trailer long before I can accumulate twice that amount. Why does money always go away faster than it comes in? /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Thanks for sharing your experiences. You really do seem to like that trailer. Hmmm, a trailer that I want to play with... nice idea.

 

[MicroPilot]

@Gary in IN: Got any pics of your trailer? What does something like this cost?

 

[Yankee]

"Get thee a tilt bed trailer. "

Good perspective, thanks for the detail.

I've got a few questions. Does a tilt bed trailer work as a poor man's dump trailer? I know it only tilts so far, but it would sure beat shoveling out a pickup bed. Perhaps you can even use a FEL?

The second question is ramps. The link to George's shows a tilt trailer with short ramps at the back. Do all tilts have these, and are they fixed or removable (with a lot of the implications you pointed out, except less weight)?

Last, are they all beavertail?

 

[ges]

Hi Tracdoc......

Thank's, yes it's 5/16G70 Transport chain. I got it from TSC, (Tractor Supply Company). I have also seen it at our area Home Depot later. TSC cut it to the lengths that I wanted for free and had the extra G705/16 hooks that I needed. Look real close at their prices though. If I remember correctly, it was cheaper to buy their 30ft unit with 2 hooks and then cut it and buy 2 more hooks than to buy it by the footand buy all the hooks. Might not be that way now.

The ratchet load binders are 3/8", but will accept 5/16 or 3/8 chain. Breaking strength of 26000 lbs., working load of 6600lb.
Ordered them from Baileys.

The screw pin shackles are 3-1/4 by 5/8. I already had them.

Oh..Baileys has all this stuff in their catalog, but as always, it pays to shop. Hope that answers your questions, George

www.baileys-online.com

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

Pks,

I bought mine used in average condition at auction a few years ago for the kind of money you mention. I was familiar with them because I had bought tow dollies from the manufacturer in the past and had become a dealer for them back then and had priced one of these at that time so I knew this was a buy.

Never let it be said I could keep a bargain a bargain, though. After I got it home I decided I'd do a couple things to spiff it up a bit. There it began. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I spent some money on a new jack because I wanted a heavier drop leg style. I added some additional tie downs to the bed (you can never have too many). I rewired everything (just to be sure I knew everything was good), and, while I was at it, put on some LED brake/turn lights, LED side marker lights and added some more lights besides. I bought new fenders (yet to be installed) and added some toolboxes for chains and straps and an 8,000 pound Warn winch.

I've taken a lot of teasing about all of my little upgrades I've made to the point of having it called my "million dollar trailer" around the shop. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif You're right about one thing, though. I really do like it. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Good luck getting something you'll like, too. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

Micro,

I'll check on the cost on a new 18' model next week and try to post it here. I'll spec a base unit with only what I feel is necessary to make it useable comfortably without making it a "million dollar trailer" in the process. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I've posted some pictures of mine before but I'll try to take some next week to show it here. That way I can show off the toolboxes and winch that weren't on there in those earlier pictures. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

Yankee,

My trailer has a 22' bed so the angle when tilted isn't much and would probably only dump something like bowling balls. As to using an FEL, I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If you're asking about lifting the whole front end by the tongue (the only way I see to get a severe angle), I imagine it would work but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't use that as my first option. Then again, I have dump trucks). /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

As to whether or not all tilt trailers have ramps, I can tell you unequivocally that they do not. Mine is full width at the rear so I can load wide or narrow front tractors, cars, trucks, motorcycles, trikes, etc., with no problems.

As to the beavertail, mine doesn't have the conventional beavertail drop because with this loading method the problem the beavertail is there to avoid doesn't exist. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Yankee]

I meant that by tilting it, you have access to the load with the FEL - you can just scoop out instead of shoveling. Alternatively, if you do shovel, at least it's a tilting load - easier to do than a flat pickup load, sort of a combination of shovel and push.

The reason I asked about the beavertail is that when I went to the "Georges" site, it showed a tilt with a beavertail

 

[ChrisBWJ]

Looking forward to seeing your numbers Gary. I think I'm in the market now for a trailer!

 

[LBrown59]

<font color="brown">How about a trailer that neither tilts or uses ramps?
Instead the bed lowers clear down flat with the ground </font>

 

[Gary_in_Indiana]

<font color="blue"> "How about a trailer that neither tilts or uses ramps?
Instead the bed lowers clear down flat with the ground"</font>

Well, that would have to be a trailer without a full axle for the entire bed to drop like that. It would also have to have some accommodation at the tongue so there would be at least three points which would raise and lower.

It sounds like a lot of engineering for no particular gain to transport a tractor. I share your aversion to ramps. Do you have some particular aversion to a tilt bed?

 

[2nstonge]

GES,

Did you look at a dump trailer big enough to haul your tractor? If you decided not to do that, could you share why? I'm thinking of going with a large dump trailer primarily because it would eliminate having to register and maintain 2 trailers. Also, if I'm going to be on a job a few miles from home I wouldn't have to make multiple trips for the equipment. Just curious about your thoughts & experience.

I have a smallish tilt trailer now, while it's just "ok" for hauling the tractor it's terrible (in my opinion) for dumping any sizable quantity of material. The stuff doesn't slide out - not enough tilt angle - and my loader can't reach in far enough to scrape it out. I end up moving alot of stuff by hand - not fun while the tractor is sitting there snickering at me.

There's a Pace American dealer near my home, their dumper looks like a solid unit. I'm still in the research mode.

Thanks much, -Norm

 

[Syncro]

<font color="blue">"How about a trailer that neither tilts or uses ramps?
Instead the bed lowers clear down flat with the ground"
</font>
<font color="black"> </font> I have something very close, its an old U-Haul auto carrier that I completely rebuilt. It has a front jack which lets the bed articulate to lower the rear to the ground, and then a large tailgate that lowers like a ramp. The end result is a trailer bed thats almost flat with just a slight incline. It works VERY well and the rig has an extermely low center of gravity and a long tongue so it pulls like a dream. GVW is about 7000#, not made for a really big tractor, but plenty for a typical small CUT. It also allows a 90 deg hookup. pics to follow

BTW, U-Haul currently does NOT sell trailers, if you find an older unit be absolutely sure its not stolen. I called the U-Haul corporate headquarters and ran the VIN before I bought it to be 100% sure it indeed was legal.

 

[Syncro]

pic 2- The actual bed with everything folded up is 12', however the front panel folds down as well as the tail gate to extend the bed to 16' plus another 3 feet over the tongue. Kinda handy arrangement.

 

[Syncro]

pic 3 The fold down tailgate that either acts as a bed extension or a drive up ramp

 

[Syncro]

pic 4 Shows the ability to hitch her up at 90 degrees. The rig has 4 wheel hydrolic surge brakes which are darn handy for the smaller loads this rig is meant to handle.

 

[Syncro]

pic 5 typical load

 

[Golfgar4]

Here's the link to PaceAmerican . /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[ScottAR]

I've seen the kind of trailer described. The one I saw was used to haul small electric scissor man lifts. The whole bed lowered flat to the ground so the little electric lifts could drive on. Ran about $7k new.

That $7k probably is why the rental place we use at work has a tilt bed and we push the manlifts on with a forklift. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

[ges]

Hi Norm.......
Well let's see if I can answer these questions while not "slamming" anyone's equipment or ideas. As I stated before, this is what worked for me.
I owned the car hauler (18') long before I bought the dumper. In fact that's how the dumper came about. I had put a "blue tarp" down on the car hauler and loaded yard trash, leaves, tree limbs, old composte, ect. and the wife and I headed for the local composte site. The idea was to pull the tarp with ropes tied at the corners to empty it. Wrong, could not move it. Another Bud was also there so we tied the ropes to his truck hitch and the wife pulled at the sametime with my truck and trailer in the other direction. Wrong, all tires spun. So the composte site guy happened to be there and he came over with the front end loader and dragged it off, tarp and all.
Anyway, wife says...."there is no way that she is gonna go to the composte site by herself and do that, we need a dump trailer".......got my vote and dump trailer.
1. yes they make a dump trailer big enough to haul a tractor, well compact tractor.
2. I like and don't want to give-up my car hauler, it's just too handy for me.
3. My dump trailer is small enough that I pull it around the yard with the BX22 till loaded.
4. My truck is a Hv. 1/2 ton with small v8 and I know if I had a bigger dump trailer I would overload it. (the truck)
So..yes I thought about it, but for me, this worked better. In fact I need to buy and haul 3 29.5 ft steel beams and neither trailer will work. Oh well.
Hope that answered your question? George