Loader traditional VS. self leveling Loader

[Reg]

So how would the indicator work? Every height the loader is at, the indicator would have to be different. I guess that an electronic system could be set up, but I don't see how a mechanical system would work. :confused2:

See my patent attorney for details, NDA required.

 

[Reg]

According to Deere, the self-levelling 400CX has 25%-30% more lifting capacity than the 400X, which is a good reason alone to get it IMO. Bigger cylinders in that case, I guess. I don't have anything to compare it to, but it sure is nice.

Does it actually HAVE more lifting capacity, or do they just RATE it higher.
I could see a case for them rating a trad FEL lower due to (perceived) lower stability.

 

[SPYDERLK]

So how would the indicator work? Every height the loader is at, the indicator would have to be different. I guess that an electronic system could be set up, but I don't see how a mechanical system would work. :confused2:

Brain works best. Just a flat surface, // to the lip, on top of the bucket.
larry

 

[Dargo]

If you move pallets a lot, a great thing to have.

I have machines with both. I agree, unless you're doing a lot of pallet moving, it is more annoying to me than helpful IMHO.

 

[Marveltone]

Brain works best. Just a flat surface, // to the lip, on top of the bucket.
larry

You obviously don't have my brain! Although, I am getting slightly better with practice.

Joe

 

[SPYDERLK]

Does it actually HAVE more lifting capacity, or do they just RATE it higher.
I could see a case for them rating a trad FEL lower due to (perceived) lower stability.

The force exerted by the bucket load tends to make the bucket want to tip outward. On the mechanical types the linkage causes this out tip force to be exerted on a linkage element that applies a lift force to the arms. This augments hydraulic lift.
On hyd type, its possible to use the hi fluid pressure bled off during lift on the rod side of the curl cyls to augment the flow to the lift cyls. ... :confused2: I think larger lift cyls would be used in this setup.
larry

 

[rjkobbeman]

The beauty of Kubota's self leveling implementation is that it is controlled 100% by the FEL's hydraulic valve. (Others may do this too, but I am only familiar with Kubota.)

The FEL on Kubota's "non-self-leveling" and the FEL on the "self-leveling" are the exact same loader. It is the valve that does the leveling. On that valve, you can turn "on" or "off" the self leveling. I use mine in the "off" position 99% of the time. Because the self leveling is a valve feature and not a mechanical feature of the loader, there is no restriction of loader movement due to the self leveling implementation. (When self leveling is actually turned on, there may be some restriction -- I don't know -- but it is nice to have both.)

Because the self leveling is implemented solely by a valve, you can add this feature at a later date. You don't have to get a different loader.

 

[Builder]

Yes you can, but at BIG cost. The self leveling valve kit for my M 7040 for example is $1,700. :confused2:

 

[TripleR]

Yes you can, but at BIG cost. The self leveling valve kit for my M 7040 for example is $1,700. :confused2:

Well, so much for that idea.

 

[rjkobbeman]

Yes you can, but at BIG cost. The self leveling valve kit for my M 7040 for example is $1,700. :confused2:

Yeah, it is more expensive after-the-fact because you are replacing you standard valve with a self leveling valve. If you buy it from the factory that way, you are only paying the "upgrade" price which is the difference between the standard valve and self leveling valve. Of couse, if you do the upgrade after-the-fact, you will have a standard valve you can sell. Don't know if there is much of a market for loader valves...

If I remember correctly, the 'upgrade' price was like $800 when I ordered my tractor.