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Has anyone else been shocked at the super low trade in values on hd diesel trucks. I have an 04 f-250 that stickered for over 40k new. I was thinking on trading it in on a 08 f-450. I still own about 22k on the 250. So I figured I go check KBB to see what kind on trade in I should expect. To my suprise only
18k in excellant condition. Now to nip it in the bud right now I also valued the same chevy truck with all the same options and the price was within $500.
So this thread isn't about brands just resale. So my first reaction is to think that high diesel prices are affecting the value. But could it be that these trucks are lossing value faster than years past? I know in past trades I've made that by the time I've owned a vehicle for 4 years it was always worth more than I owed. Now I should note the truck in question is loaded not an xl.

Matt T.:D
 
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Saw the same thing in the family auto business in the 70's...

The prices fell overnight for just about anything with a V8... which covered most of the markets...

We actually had people trading in nearly new, paid for Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser Wagon on Pintos!!!

Several I know here in the Bay Area are in the same situation as your are. They trade up every couple of years and all of them have been told by Ford/GM?Chevrolet not interested. I don't know anyone with a Dodge.

A fair number of the ladies I work with here at the Hospital drive large SUV's, like Excursions and Yukons... several find themselves owing 10k or more than current Blue book.

If you need a truck... now is a great time to buy and a very poor time to sell.
 
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Kind of the same here. I stopped at a Chevy dealer and looked at the new 1500 pickups. They asked if I had a trade and I said I have an 05 diesel. Then they squeeled because I had 85k on it and was told it has 3 times the miles it should have. I said yah that's why I got the diesel. They said 17k for a trade. I thought ..... huh give them my 3/4 ton diesel and give them 25k for a new 1500 gasser Yah right, my diesel with 85k will still outlast the gasser.:D
 
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Talked to a dealer about new truck this weekend. At the end of discussion, I asked what the trade in on my 1999 Lariat F250, crew cab, V10, well equipped, 80K miles, in very good to excellent condition and runs great. $6000. Makes it difficult to want a new truck.
 
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The crazy part is they're still not giving away the new HD diesel trucks.
Even with the employee pricing there still at least 35k (250-350). I can't see how they expect to sell a 60k plus f-450 when it's plan as day that the demand for diesels is falling. I think alot of it has to do with the guys who want diesels vs the guys who need diesels. I'm not panicing over the price of diesel but I am about how up side down I am on my loan. If this trend continues I'll be buying a striped down haul truck instead of a daily drive. I thought I'd weather this diesel price storm with the trusty 4 cylinder focus I have. But the sting of high diesel and low resale really makes me feel, well foolish. While it's true I do need a diesel for towing I could have gotten a specific work truck to haul and saved myself the embaressment of crazy depreciation!

Matt T.:confused:
 
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I traded my 04 250 SD diesel in on an 08 SD diesel last Nov I paid 33K 4 yrs earlier and it had 49K mi. on when traded in they allowed me 24 K on a trade It was to good to resist I upgraded to a much nicer truck oh did I mention the dealer still has my old truck in inventory and he still wants 26.5 K for it 9 mo. later. V
 
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vettemanwight said:
I traded my 04 250 SD diesel in on an 08 SD diesel last Nov I paid 33K 4 yrs earlier and it had 49K mi. on when traded in they allowed me 24 K on a trade It was to good to resist I upgraded to a much nicer truck oh did I mention the dealer still has my old truck in inventory and he still wants 26.5 K for it 9 mo. later. V
Your timing for getting a good trade in was good! Fuel prices are easing a little and at least not still climbing. It will still have to get much better for people to start buying trucks or SUVs again. I am a Ford truck guy, but Ford is going to take a worse loss this year than ever. Ford says they are refocusing on the smaller car market but still estimate 2-3 years until they can hit the market. The hemorrhage will continue. Hope they remain a competitor.
 
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not diesel related but similar situation as far as trading trucks go...or at least ATTEMPTING to trade. before i bought a 2007 used regular cab Tacoma 4cyl a few months back, i looked it up on KBB. price they wanted was 13,700. price KBB said i should pay 14,250. put about 470 miles on the truck since i've had it. now KBB saus it's worth only about 10,500 trade-in and around 11 thousand and some change from a private party sale. i said :eek: for a 4 cyl 2wd truck that everyone is chomping at the bit for??!! i disspelled two myths...1) Toyotas hold their value.....2) not just big gassers and diesels are taking a hit with resale/trade-in.

i think i'll keep this little truck for awhile. been trying to sell it but have grown tired of everyone wanting to try and "steal it". and i mean at rediculous offers too!!! yeah, i'll keep my 26mpg farm truck and have my Chevrolet 1/2 ton as a backup.
 
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I have been waiting to buy a new truck and I have noticed that the bottom has fallen out of the truck market in VA. I saw a 2006 Chevy 3500 crew cab diesel 4x4 for 26k with 35,000 miles. I then went to another dealer down the road and I saw a 2003 F250 extracab with 60,000 miles for 17k. I'm getting an itchy finger, but I will have to keep my 2001 Silverado with 62,000 miles. These things are a dime a dozen around here.
 
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It's not just HD and diesel pickups. I was recently considering a trade using my '06 F-150 S-Crew with all of the incentives Ford was throwing out.


Well, my '06 at 26k miles and in absolute fanstastic condition (still has the new smell in it and the rear seat belts have never been touched) valued around $14,500 trade value........and I bought it for a hair over $31k. Depreciation made all but a few thousand of the current incentives meaningless in a trade deal.


But, that's okay. This vehicle is accruing more value the longer I keep it and pay on it as the depreciation curve flattens out. By then, I'll be looking to get into an '10 or so.....
 
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I recently took advantage of the 72hr sale at GM. They said they were taking absolutely no trades on any SUV's or trucks. 10K off everything on the lot too. I wondered then about how just about anyone who bought a truck in the last few yrs and didn't put about 1/2 down would be upside down in the loan. Which will account for most of the new purchases in the last few yrs. I was buying a Cobalt to drive to work. They offered me just about scrap value for my old car. I laughed at it and easily sold it a week later for 3x's what they offered me. These are real bad times indeed.
 
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I understand it's not just trucks and suv's. However small cars and trucks don't cost 35k plus. What I'm saying is there's depreciation and then there's flat out loss. Who among us can afford to take a 10k loss on a vehicle that cost an ivy league tuition payment? I know this isn't related to just my area since I ran trade values in other parts of the country because I was in such disbelief. I also realize a truck is not an investment however when justifying a large payment there must be a palletable amount of depreciation with the long term break even points at least with in a 10 year life cycle.

Matt T.:confused:
 
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Wheels haven't fallen off my 1994 heavy half ton ford truck yet (90,000 miles) so I'm not looking for a new truck yet! Does look like a good time to shop for a good used truck.

mark
 
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No new trucks for me, Have been driving my 93 C2500 for 11 years. They dont rust down here. Rebuilt the engine last year. It has 231K , I love that truck. Just got a 92 C3500 dually diesel im swapping a good engine into. that will be my HD truck for contruction work on my property. No payments no trades.
 
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I understand it's not just trucks and suv's. However small cars and trucks don't cost 35k plus. What I'm saying is there's depreciation and then there's flat out loss. Who among us can afford to take a 10k loss on a vehicle that cost an ivy league tuition payment? I know this isn't related to just my area since I ran trade values in other parts of the country because I was in such disbelief. I also realize a truck is not an investment however when justifying a large payment there must be a palletable amount of depreciation with the long term break even points at least with in a 10 year life cycle
That about sums it up. Very well said! I totally agree. How can somebody expect to spend upwards of 40,000 on a truck only to have it be worth less than half before its paid off.
 
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Story in the local paper about folks giving their Trucks back to the bank... just like houses around here.

I think Chrysler has discontinued it's in house leasing program for most vehicles because they admitted the future is too unpredicable to make a sound business decision on residual value.
 
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Guys, the used equip market is really bad right now-trucks, tractors, you name it, there's too much supply, too little construction work and of course high fuel prices.

I'm looking for steals right now and there's so many out there, you almost get spoiled. You just keep looking for cheaper & cheaper stuff to buy.

An '04 Superduty that lost over 50% of its value comes as no shock to me at all.

I wouldn't trade anything in or sell anything right now unless I absolutely had to.
 
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The true winner is the guy who can select exactly which model to buy (or sell) at exactly the right time. We've all heard how bad, bad, bad leasing a vehicle is, right? Well, if you by chance leased a full sized SUV or full sized pickup in the last couple of years you made a wonderful decision! Part of what my company does is teach this sort of thing to auto dealership managers; teach them how to be compliant with federal regulations and teach them how to be compliant with federal privacy laws. I found that about 9 out of 10 dealerships were improperly disclosing leases. What a shocker, huh?

The reason I say that you made a wonderful decision to lease an SUV or full sized pickup if you did so in the last few years is because lease companies establish two important factors when calculating a lease payment. One is the money factor; how much the money is going to cost you. Since I no longer do business in all states I don't know if it's federal law now or not, but the states I deal in now require the lease companies to use a percentage rate of interest; like you'd see on a loan. Before your lease money factor would be something like .01724. My personal opinion was that some of the lease companies intentionally used a 'money factor' as to prevent the consumer from knowing exactly what their interest rate was. The other major factor in establishing a lease payment is the residual value. That is the all important value that the lease company puts in writing as what the value your vehicle will be worth at the end of your specific lease period. This value has always been a dollar amount that is calculated as a percentage of the original MSRP, before any additions such as sales taxes, license fees etc.

As it turns out, lease companies 'guessed' way, way too high on the residual values of SUVs and full sized pickups. The customer who leased one of these, say two years ago, wins because they are making lease payments calculated on the assumption that their vehicle will be worth, say, $25,000 after their three year lease is over. Now, with today's economy, that vehicle is actually worth about $15,000 at the end of that three year lease. The customer "wins" because they can (and should) simply 'walk away' from the lease at the end of their term. The lease company takes the bath. This is exactly why Chrysler Corporation completely quit doing leases about a week ago. They had no idea what residual value to place on their vehicles and opted to take the bad press and dealer anger as opposed to take the risk of losing millions and millions on lease turn-ins.

Attached is a couple of clips from a trade magazine I subscribe to in my industry. It gives some stark examples of what has happened to these lease residual values. Now, remember, even if you don't lease anything, this information is important to you because it gives you a true 'best guess' from the insider's point of view as to what your vehicle will be worth at the end of a specific time.

Maybe I jumped too soon, but I sold a highly desirable Cummins powered one ton Dodge just last month because for my particular year truck and the condition of my truck, the value hadn't fallen at all. I sold it in less than 2 days for more than $2000 over the KBB 'Suggested List Price' value. At the same time I purchased a ten year newer one ton diesel pickup that I really liked (and was in mint condition) for more than $2000 under KBB 'Trade In Value' for that particular truck. I went up ten years in truck, about half the miles on the truck, and to a truck with all the options I wanted for less than $6000 difference. It's really hard to say if I did extremely well or not because it's possible the truck I bought may continue to plummet in value. Of course, I was concerned about how long my 'old' truck would be immune to losing value.

Anyway, as I've written here before, short of having a dealer's license and subscribing to Black Book online the best way to find a rather close dollar figure for the ACV (Actual Cash Value - the amount of money the car dealer will really appraise your vehicle for) is to use KBB's "Trade In Value" and not check any of the additional boxes for options. Enter the correct mileage and correct model, but don't check any of the boxes for adds. The value that KBB will then give you will be extremely close to what the actual appraisal of your vehicle will be at a car lot. True, some dealers are crooks, but a lot of them are good people and simply have to make some money to stay in business. They are scared right now because if they don't sell your trade in less than 60 days, they likely are going to lose big time on it.
 

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as i said in the other thread....

when you take 10-15K in "incentives" to buy a new one, when you drive it off the lot it instantly looses that in resale value. so most people will be upside down still 3 or more years later.
 
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Dargo----2008 Chevy 2500 HD 6.0L Auto GAS STD CAB "hit" hard in the right rear, owe 27,600.00,new replacement $22,600.00 repair $15000.00. total with gap paid off--- with no truck(they keep truck for salvage)--- what to do in this market. Driving old truck starting to look real real good???? you'll's thoughts!!!!
 
 
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