Tractor vs. Skid Steer

   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #11  
Skid steers are for small to medium landscaping and a tractor for medium to large landscaping. Although my landscaper is using only a bobcat 700 series for a $400,000 landscaping contract right now on 18 acres.
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #12  
Do you own stock in Power Trac??? Just kidding.

I actually tried buying a PT 1845 with a couple dozen attachments a couple of weeks ago.

PT was not able to provide a glow plug for the Deutz diesel engine that came with it, so I let the package go to someone else who was not as concerned with cold weather starting in a remote area as I am.

Now I am looking for a CUT.

Yooper Dave
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #13  
Had an interesting experience a couple weeks ago where we had my tractor working side by side with a Bobcat clearing stumps. Good size CUT (Kubota L4610 with loader and backhoe) had similar weight and HP to the Bobcat. Made for a great comparison of the two units.

The loaders were about the same size, but the one on the Bobcat was a 4 in 1, plus the geometry gave the 'cat more leverage... advantage - 'cat.

Actual lift capacity was about equal, but the short wheelbase of the skidsteer - a great advantage for maneuvering - worked against it with heavy lifting. We had stumps + rootballs weighing about 2,000 lbs. With one of them, the 'cat picked it up with the 4 in 1 to move it, slowly went over a tiny rut and did a full nose plant. My FEL easily picked up that and similar stumps with no instability. Advantage - Kubota.

The 'cat could aggressively attack a stump, pushing and wedging against it with maneuvering, momentum and hydraulics in a way I would never think of going after it with the tractor. Advantage - Bobcat.

The 'cat also got stuck so many times I lost count. Had to be very careful not to drop into any rut more than maybe a foot or it was time to dig back out again. Good FEL work gets you out, but definitely a skidsteer on wheels is not your friend if it's slippy or full of holes. Advantage - Kubota

Tractor had traction to easily snake 4-6-8 logs at a time. Larger tires gave more raw pulling power. Advantage - Kubota.

Bobcat changes implements in the blink of an eye. Speaking of eyes, if you could figure out how to hook one up, a broadcast spreader like I use behind the tractor would give a skidsteer operator an eyeful, a mouthful, a whole face full of whatever was being broadcast. So each unit has its own form of versatility. Advantage - we figured it's a draw on this.

But if you did figure out how to hook up a brush cutter to a Bobcat, it could be your posterior getting beat up mowing a field with it, but it won't be mine. The Bobcat is a young man's machine. You may get a lot done in a short while, but you will get bounced, thrown, jolted and bashed as you operate it. Advantage for an old fogey - tractor.

Transportability - Advantage - 'cat.

Safety - Depends on the user, but having the entry/egress right through the business end and all the hydraulics on a skidsteer is darn unforgiving of any careless operating habits IMHO. Some people may disagree, but I call it Advantage - tractor.

In the end, there's no hands-down best pick. You have to decide what mix of work you will be doing to figure out which is the best choice. If you are mostly moving dirt in different locations and you don't mow or have other field work, get the skidsteer. If you do mowing, towing, field work or want to go easy on your old bones, get the tractor.

Or, get both. I can tell you the two make one heck of a tag team! We ate through those stumps like you wouldn't believe!
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer
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#14  
WOW! THAT WAS A VERY INFORMATIVE POST......
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #15  
The Bobcat was designed for cleaning barns on a ranch in North Dakota, where standard wheel tractors had a hard time or could not manuever.

Check out www.bobcat.com/story/about_story_00.html

As for implements, what is available for skidsteers and thier track-loader counter parts, blows away what you can get for a CUT. I have had my CUT for five years now, and thought there were lots of implements out there. My buddy got a Bobcat, so I checked out thier web page www.bobcat.com/products/att/thumbnails/index.jhtml Since, I have checked out other manufacturers, including aftermarket. It is amazing what is out there /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Just to clarify, Bobcat was an example. I have a Kubota, but am thinking of selling it to get an ASVi RC30 track loader, which is like a skid steer tracked hybrid www.asvi.com/rc_30.cfm

The skid steer type tractor is generally more expensive. So are the implements, especially since most use hydraulic motors.
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #16  
You just gotta try one of these track-loaders I go on and on about. Skidsteers are great, but the track loader is really something! I think a skidsteer is great for firm surface work. The trackloader works best for "off-road" work. It will work on road, but tracks are a bit expensive to replace.

The track loaders are smoother to, especially the ASV types, which have a twin torsion bar suspension. Suspension on a tractor...
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #17  
I have used the ASV RC30 and CAT-247 tracked machines. They both use ASV track systems, which include twin torsion bar suspension. They are very smooth machines. The Bobcat I use from time to time(skidsteer; Bobcat makes track-laoders too) is same size as the Cat247 track loader. The S185 Bobcat will jostle you around for sure.

There are rotary and flail type mowers for skidsteer type machines. They usually put a front door on the unit made of some type plexiglass, to protest you from debris.
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #18  
Wow. I spent some time over inthe desert with the National Guard and we had a Bobcat 763 (I think). We had a bucket, grapple, forks and a jackhammer. I guess I was thinking of attachments in terms of 3PH and drawns implementsthat a CUT would haul. My brother-in-law (who has dairy cattle) uses a New Holland skid steer to clean out his heifer barn, move silage and work the manure pit. Thanks for the input. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #19  
Oh, and the Bobcat we used had tracks on it. It was the first time I'd ever seen them. They worked great in the sand.
 
   / Tractor vs. Skid Steer #20  
I started off thinking I wanted a skid steer. As has been said, there are a lot of implements available, and most can be rented easily. As I looked into it, I discovered that most of the implements I wanted to actually use were 3PH. If I could find a skid steer with a little longer wheelbase, larger rear tires for traction, side entry, and a 3 point hitch setup, I'd still buy it over a tractor... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 

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