tractor roleover

Taylortractornut · Mar 13, 2005

Henro I had a friend get pinned between a tractor and a drag type disc like this one time. the disch ung a rock and the tractors tire dug in good and he had the diff lock down. The instant the wheels stopped the tractor went ovve backwards. just so happens he jumped but the was he was positined he the tractor kept up with him and landed head first on the disc with his legges sticking straight up out of the tractors. He landed like he was standing between the final drive and tire if he was on ground. when I got there he was more worried about the tractor running upside down than himself. When I skid logs or anything I have the box blade onfor a few reasons. One is to protect the tires or to back the logs out of a spot. Two is with a box blade ou can use it to hol the chain and lift the log up and if it does han the blade will ack like a wheelie bar. it may raise up a little as the lift floats but wont go all the way over.

AlanB · Mar 17, 2005

( Two is with a box blade ou can use it to hol the chain and lift the log up and if it does han the blade will ack like a wheelie bar. it may raise up a little as the lift floats but wont go all the way over. )

 

So, will the box blade just come up freely to the stop, then mechanicly stop and keep it from going over? I would think it would, but has anyone actually hit that point?

Would it just crush / break the top stops when it hit with the weight / momentum of the tractor behind it?

JerryG · Mar 17, 2005

I know that several members have mentioned that they think the three point implement would or could stop a roll over. I don't think that they will. Because, I have bent to many third arms. They bend very easily under compression. Now, the implement might keep a tractor without a ROPS from laying completely flat on it hood. That might save a person. I rescued a man that turned a 8N over backward one time. It was flat on its hood upside down. I would much rather the tractor hit the implement and roll to one side from a survival stand point.

Soundguy · Mar 17, 2005

Wow.. I've seen the opposite. I've seen those toplinks.. screw type like from TSC.. ful cat 1 size.. I've seen then survive 3pt problems and have things like upper lift arms brake when the 3pt got in a bind.

Perhaps those smaller cat 0 or minature cat 1 toplinks may be dicey.

I'd also feel safe with the old style toplink like the fords used. It was 2 solid metal strips.. used 4 carriage bolts to hold it together.. big thick.. beefy.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Mar 17, 2005

Wow.. I've seen the opposite. I've seen those toplinks.. screw type like from TSC.. ful cat 1 size.. I've seen then survive 3pt problems and have things like upper lift arms brake when the 3pt got in a bind.

Perhaps those smaller cat 0 or minature cat 1 toplinks may be dicey.

I'd also feel safe with the old style toplink like the fords used. It was 2 solid metal strips.. used 4 carriage bolts to hold it together.. big thick.. beefy.

Keep in mind. The toplink only needs to hold back the force of the rear tires spinning, if you are lucky. The toplink should start defeating the roll over before there is much 'tractor' weight on it, and while the front end is still at a high angle.. letting the rear wheels stall or spinn.. etc.

Other probelms do come into play.. like one wheel traction.. etc.. though.. Might become a side roll..

Soundguy

JimMorrissey · Mar 19, 2005

As long as you use your seatbelt too.

JerryG · Mar 19, 2005

It's not just the Cat 1 bars, I have seen Cat 2 bars bent. I have never bent a Cat 2, but have seen them. Any of them will bend right behind the ball, next to the threads.

tncruzin · Mar 21, 2005

Can someone advise where you can find ROP for an Iseki TL-1900 (compact tractor)? I'd like to add one to mine but can't find anyone who has them.

Soundguy · Mar 21, 2005

My guess is if you are bending a toplink.. you are doing something with the tractor you shouldn't be doing.

You can push (within reason ) with a resr scoop or box/back blade.. as long as you realize you are not a bull dozer.

I've pushed alot of maneuer piles, and scooped many cy of piled clay and dirt with no problems.. course.. i didn't abuse my machines either.

The only time I've had a 3pt member fail wa son my yanmar 1700 I bent the adjustable lift arm ( small one too.. smaller than a tc 18 arm in diameter.. but same length ). I then heated it and rebent it. Ironically it never broke at the bend. however a few years alter while moving clay, the ball socket came apart. I chalk that one up to partial damage by me, and an old cheaply made part, and alot of hard work. For what it's worth.. even the 'small' cat 1 toplink I had on the 1700 was much beefier than the pitiful excuse for an adjustable lift link that was on my 1700 when i got it.

I ended up replacing it with a lift link from a SCUT massey ferguson.

Soundguy

JerryG · Mar 21, 2005

My guess is if you are bending a toplink.. you are doing something with the tractor you shouldn't be doing. 
No, it is called rough terrain brush hogging. I quite using a third arm when mowing about three years. No more problems with third arms.

BrettW · Mar 26, 2005

OK, read the whole post as I will be dragging logs out of my woods up hill. What is the safest way to do this? I can cut them onsite and just bring up pieces in the loader I suppose. I was planning o dragging them out backwards using the loader/ chains and a boxblade on the back for balance.
I also remember a post showing someone that made a metal device with chains on it that slipped under the log, a little sled if you will. Seemed like a good idea. Anyone recall that post? thanks, bw

slydog · Mar 26, 2005

Lots of good threads on here about log skidding. I think you are referring to a skid pan. Do a search for "log skidding" and you'll find lots of info. Also, MossRoad I think had a link to a very good log hauler that might give you some ideas for making one of your own. AHAA..found the thread with the link. It's called a logging arch. This is different than a skid pan, but will give you some ideas. Here's the link. Hope it helps.

Log skidding thread

BRIGUY · Mar 28, 2005

I'm a firm believer in the chaining the butt of the log in the bucket and going backwards method. (With the bucket almost skimming the ground) Sure the machine will surely pull more going forward, but I have pulled entire trees the length of my property this way. People have stopped and watched in disbelief. How can that little thing pull such a big tree??

Last summer I moved many trees with my BX some 20+ inches in dia, and I have hung up on other stumps or fallen trees. The worst thing that happened was the tractor stopped.

I have gotten her on 2 wheels a few times doing other things (Moving stumps) and I didn't like it at all.

KiotiJohn · Mar 28, 2005

One of the main things you have to worry about if you're pulling on slopes is that the log may roll, pulling your tractor along with it. Whatever you decide to use, make sure it has some type of breakaway so that if the log begins to roll, your hook up lets go and doesn't pull your tractor over. John

Soundguy · Mar 28, 2005

( My guess is if you are bending a toplink.. you are doing something with the tractor you shouldn't be doing.
No, it is called rough terrain brush hogging. I quite using a third arm when mowing about three years. No more problems with third arms. )

I believe you should have slack in the toplink. Most mowers I see provide for quite a few inches of 'give', either by a slotted connection, or by a 'swing' connection.

If those won't solve your rough terain problems, IMHO you need to be using a mower setup as 'drag' configuration. Most KK rotary mowers come with instructions in the manual on how to assemble as either 3pt lift, or drag setup, using provided components.

That said.. if your terain is that uneven.. sounds like there may be deck/driveline contact, or driveling angle problems no?

Soundguy

JerryG · Mar 28, 2005

That said.. if your terrain is that uneven.. sounds like there may be deck/driveline contact, or driveling angle problems no? 
Some of the terrain is that bad. Everything is aligned perfectly and there is no drive line angle problem. I don't want and can't use a drag mower is some places. I replaced the third arm with a chain, about 3 years or so ago. That has eliminated all of my problems.

DaMadman · Mar 28, 2005

Henro I have had a Small tractor almost walk over on me while PLOWING with a moldboard plow and got hung on a root.

Now I know that the plow was below the axle because it was buried in the ground. just putt-putting along and the plow hung on a root and the root did not break loose and the tractor tries to walk over backwards. a Jump on the clutch (as said by another posted) stopped this immediately, but if someone (ME) wasn't paying attention the tractor would have seriously walked over in a hurry

Soundguy · Mar 28, 2005

( Some of the terrain is that bad. Everything is aligned perfectly and there is no drive line angle problem. I don't want and can't use a drag mower is some places. I replaced the third arm with a chain, about 3 years or so ago. That has eliminated all of my problems )

I can understand not wanta drag mower due to some 'backing up' issues.. i don't blame you.. that's why i looked around and got a 3pt 10' mower rather than a drag.

Have you considered adding a piece of pipe to that chain toplink.. even if it is only half or 2/3's the length of the chain? in a backflip, it will allow more movement than a sloid one.. but may tighten up enough at some point to do some good before rops come into play..

Good luck.. safe mowing.

Soundguy

GerardC · Mar 28, 2005

Sure the machine will surely pull more going forward, but I have pulled entire trees the length of my property this way. 

Do you mean quantity or power wise. Reverse is a more powerful gear than forward (torque).

JerryG · Mar 29, 2005

Have you considered adding a piece of pipe to that chain toplink.. even if it is only half or 2/3's the length of the chain? in a backflip, it will allow more movement than a sloid one.. but may tighten up enough at some point to do some good before rops come into play..
No, the chain will work just fine.