Towing Capacity

   / Towing Capacity #41  
MarkV,

Where did you find the weight for the L48 with loader and backhoe. The only thing I've been able to find on the net is <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tractorsmart.com/KubotaSpecs/specifications_for_the_kubota_l48.htm>http://www.tractorsmart.com/KubotaSpecs/specifications_for_the_kubota_l48.htm</A>. When I read it last week, I assumed that the 4,833 pounds was for the whole lot since the model listed was V2403-M-ETLB. There are companion pages on this site for the loader and backhoe, but with no weights.

-david
 
   / Towing Capacity #42  
<font color=blue>trailer brakes HELP with the stopping but most of the stopping still comes from the motor vehicle</font color=blue>

IF that's the case, then you either have a sorry brake controller on the motor vehicle, defective brakes on the trailer, inadequately sized brakes on the trailer, or poorly adjusted brake controller or trailer brakes. When everything is "right" the motor vehicle and trailer brake together smoothly, and you certainly can stop the entire rig with just the trailer brakes, although naturally stopping distance would be greater than braking with all the wheels.
 
   / Towing Capacity #43  
<font color=blue>trailers w/ brakes now have to have a breakaway brake activator installed</font color=blue>

The statutes of course are lengthy and detailed, but basically, in Texas, you're required to have brakes on any trailer with a gross weight of more than 4,500 pounds, and the break away brakes are also required if the trailer has brakes. I don't know how long the requirement for break away brakes has existed, but all my travel trailers had break away brakes, even as far back as the 1972 model.
 
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#44  
David,

The specs I was using came from Mr. Carver's site. They list the L48 with loader and backhoe at 7760 lbs. Kubota weights---as listed by Kubota---are the tractor crated without tires or fluids. Muhammad resently verified that with Kubota. It seems like a bad way for Kubota to do it when so many compare weight while looking at a tractor purchase. This is not to say that is where TractorSmart got there figures.

MarkV
 
   / Towing Capacity #45  
Your travel trailers having a break away device was probably a 'value added' service'... wouldn't want a 20 thousand dollar trailer flying off down the road... by itself.. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Sounds like the guy with the brake controller problem may not have them adjusted correctly... mine are great... I'm spoiled...I hate to pull trailers without breaks now.

Soundguy
 
   / Towing Capacity #46  
Thanks.

I'll dig out the owners manuals and see if they have more information. At 7760 lbs., I guess I'll have to be really careful not to drive over a sprinkler head.../w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

-david
 
   / Towing Capacity #47  
Bird,
Having had to investigate probably many accident in your carreer I'm kinda surprised you don't seem to be getting my point. You can have the best trailer brakes in the world but the most you can do is ask them to lock up which they can do easily. Your front brakes on the towing ehicle however will not lock as easily in a panic stop because there's more down weight on them and when you brake even MORE down pressure is applied due to weight shifting forward. Can you stop with JUST trailer brakes? Of course given enough time and no decline but in a panic situation with a light tow vehicle braking becomes an issue. My point was that you physically can TOW a lot more than you can safely stop and most of the braking is still done by the front tires of the tow vehicle because the most agressive braking you should make your trailer brakes is just prior to lock up. If you lock them up you actually reduce the braking drag and just get flat spots. I guess an easier way to look at is if you had a choice of losing your trailer brakes OR your vehicle brakes which do you think would be more effective in stopping your vehicle?
 
   / Towing Capacity #48  
Gerard, we might get into a more technical discussion that we could adequately cover here (or that anyone would want to read)./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif You're right in that weight shifts forward during deceleration. And I also agree that you <font color=blue>physically can TOW a lot more than you can safely stop</font color=blue> (the key word being "safely"). You're also right that you don't want to lock up the brakes and slide, although the reason is more for directional control than for any reduction in braking drag. And you're right that most of your braking is done with the front wheels when you are not pulling a trailer. When you are pulling a trailer, then a number of other factors come into play. What's the weight of the trailer, number of tires, size of tires, etc. as compared to the towing vehicle? What's the tongue (or pin, in the case of 5th wheel or gooseneck trailers) weight? Are you using a load distributing hitch? If so, how is it adjusted; i.e., how much of the tongue weight was distributed to the front wheels of the towing vehicle? And <font color=blue>if you had a choice of losing your trailer brakes OR your vehicle brakes which do you think would be more effective in stopping your vehicle?</font color=blue> Well, it just depends . . ../w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif What's the relationship of my towing vehicle (size, weight, tires, etc.) to the trailer and what are all the answers to the questions above? In this hypothetical case, there are too many unknowns. However, I'll agree with you that, in most cases, I would rather lose the trailer brakes.

I was amazed several years ago when we put a questionnaire to some officers asking if they lost the brakes on one end of their car, which end would they prefer losing, and many of them thought it would be preferable to have brakes on the rear and lose the front ones. It's actually the opposite as I think you know. If the front ones lock up, you will tend to slide in a straight line (more or less), but if the rear ones lock up, you'll probably get sideways. And of course, as you know, the front ones are more effective in braking. That explains why a lot of vehicles have anti-lock brakes on the rear, but not the front.

Now that explains also why you normally wear out the front brake linings (or disk brake pads) much quicker than you wear out the rear ones. However, when you put a trailer into the equation, things start to change. Example: I pulled a 5th wheel trailer a lot of miles behind a one ton dual wheeled Chevrolet pickup. The trailer usually had about 7,300 pounds on the axles and about 2,500 pounds on the pin. And I actually wore the rear brake linings just a little faster than the front brake pads on the truck. I guess you know that the porportioning valve, and anti-lock system, are affected by the rear end of the vehicle rising a bit during rapid deceleration, something that does not necessarily happen with a heavy load on the rear of a towing vehicle.

I guess the bottom line is that I think you're right in most repects and your point's well taken, but I also still have to stand by my earlier responses. But I'll 'fess up to not being an engineer./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
   / Towing Capacity #49  
Mark,

Suprising that they don't seem to offer the E250 with the diesel. The 4.10 versus the 3.55 is the rear dif ratio.

If you have not order that E250 get the E350 diesel.
You will love it.
Only bad news is that the diesel cost is horrible. That why my old piece if junk is a bondo special/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif .
I am just to cheap to fork over the 30-40K for a new diesel F350.

Fred
 
   / Towing Capacity #50  
Bird:

Really a good post.
I think that when the trailer brakes are engaged it will also add to the pin weight. I'm not an engineer either.
I sure know I can pull more than what's legal and I'm comfortable with and when I've done it I've always been going slower downhill than going uphill. Traffic behind may not have liked it but no way was I speeding up.

Egon
 

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