Too impulsive? I don't think so but I'll listen...

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jeffinsgf

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Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

Just caught wind of JD's no interest financing and decided to go take a look for something to help me with my new 10 acres of Ozarks rocks. I have an old Bobcat that is great for moving piles of stuff, but I want a PTO shaft, something bigger to mow with than a little rider, and I don't want to do all my dirt work inside a cage. I've got several projects that are screaming for a backhoe, but the attachment for the Bobcat is dreadfully expensive. So, off to the local (pretty good sized) Deere shop.

They were out of 990's, had a couple of 4310's, several different models of the new 3000-20 series, including a 3520, and a 4410 with a 430 FEL installed. I talked to the first salesman for a while and gravitated toward the 4410, which had been on the floor of a trade show of some kind and still had the "show special" price tag of $18,700 including FEL and a screen on the ROPS. Doesn't even have an hour on the meter yet.

I wanted to see the loader taken off and put on so we visited the service bay, where a very helpful kid walked me through it. I was impressed and we started getting a bit more serious. Then the subject drifted to Hydro drive vs. traditional gear box. After a little talk on the virtues of hydro, I drove the 3520 around their test field. Maybe I'm too old a dog to go hydro...I liked it but could not justify paying more for it (to myself), particularly after test driving the 4410 with the Power Reverser.

Then I left to have lunch with my wife and break the news to her -- actually, it was her idea in the first place, I was just telling her that I really was going to go ahead.

I went back and a different salesman worked with me, this one more in favor of the traditional gearbox (fewer moving parts, more power to the wheels, etc.). We sat down and worked through the implements that I wanted. We went with the 4410 with 430 loader, 447 backhoe, a Frontier 60" finish mower, and a Frontier 60" box blade. The whole enchilada for $28,500.

He placed everything on order and gave me a credit app to fill out tonight. In my euphoria of finally going green, I started looking more closely at the Deere site and have been cruising through lots of posts here at TBN. Which has raised a couple of concerns that maybe some of you guys can help me with, so I don't make a mistake. I wouldn't mind spending a little more to avoid problems.

First thing I noticed is that the 430 seems to be discontinued and the Deere consumer site shows no FEL for the 4410. Is that anything to worry about? Just "last year's model"? I have read some good things about the 300CX loader, but apparently it won't fit the 4410. Does the 430 accept the same range of buckets, blades and the skid loader plate like the 300CX?

Next question is, did I dismiss hydro drive too quickly? It seems to be favored by lots of folks here, or is that just the "vocal minority"? It sure is convenient, but I've been dropping a clutch on power equipment for 35 years, so I don't really mind. Is there any other reason than convenience to go hydro?

Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.
 
   / Too impulsive? I don't think so but I'll listen... #2  
Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

Welcome to TBN, where between the truth and opinions disguised as the truth you can get an answer to everything /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
First the hydro thing.
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Did you leave in an automatic or a stick? Automotive penetration of automatic transmissions is above 90% and climbing. Those automatic car drivers vastly prefer automatic tractors, or as Deere calls it, the eHydro option. Your dealer knows this too, and does not want gear and PowrReverser models sitting any longer than necessary since they are harder to move. That will increase as the TWENTY Series become more plentiful. There are a couple of dealers around me that won't order anything but eHydro's because they have been burned with unsold models before. As far as costing more, that money is recovered when you go to sell, in addition to being easier to sell even when used. The e Hydro is virtually wear proof. The gear model has a clutch to replace and the PowrReverser has two clutches to replace, one for forward and another for reverse. Did your dealer demonstrate the eHydro's LoadMatch or MotionMatch? The eHydro also has cruise control if you're mowing large areas.
The 430 loader is an excellent loader and until the new 300 series was the top dog for the 4410. The 430 was a totally North American built unit, the 300cx incorperates some Chinese castings to increase Deere's margin. The 430FEL has the same choices for buckets and attachments with the exception of the 84" bucket, which only available for the 300cx. In your situation I would go for the 300cx (which does mount on the 4410) because it has an addtional 300 pounds capacity. The dealer is going to push the 430 for the same reason he'll push the PowrReverser, clearing less desirabile inventory while he can, knowing that eHydro's and 300cx's will always be somewhat easier to move. There's nothing wrong with the 430, but the extra 300 lbs would be a plus on the 300cx.
 
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Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

I will add only two points to what our man in MI wrote above. I think, from looking at the spec sheets posted by a fellow called Rockyridge, the 430 loader has faster cycle times than the 300x and 300cx loaders. In addition to that, I commend you to purchase the 48 backhoe. It is the largest one available for the 4410 tractor. Keep in mind that if you care about aesthetics, the 47 & 48 are of a design similar to the 430 loader and the 447 & 448 are similar in appearance to the 300 loaders. Incidentally, you should consider getting heavy duty buckets on your attachments. Mine came with a 61" HD loader bucket and an 18" HD backhoe bucket. If you're interested in accessorizing your machine at the outset, ask the salesman to throw-in two forward and one rear facing worklights, armrests, upgraded cruise control and Speedmatch. Do that after you've negotiated the price of course.

Good luck. The 4410 is a very capable machine. It's big enough to do everything you ask of it yet very maneuverable in the woods and around the yard.
 
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Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

The loader- You may want to get the 300 series, mainly so you can have the latest model and you wont second guess your decision wondering if you did the right thing.Heck when you mention it to the dealer, he may even offer to discount the 430 for you and make it more attractive.

Hydro- is great for people that are used to it, but you asked for any other reasons to go hydro, besides convenience. Re-sale could be another but would not consider it a big one. If you are happy with the gear model than get it. I am used to a straight gear and have operated shuttle shift and power reverser and that was a big enough upgrade for me. Good Luck with whatever you get!
 
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Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

Having the latest model means nothing to me. I am looking at buying a 4310. If I could find a 4410, I would take it. I went Hydro because I have heard some good things about it, and I WANT my wife to use it.

In your situation, you really need to look at the 300CX loader. It not only has more lift capacity, but it has the ability to attach skid steer attachments to it. Having a bobcat, that may come in handy. I am going to get the 300CX because it only costs $100 more than the 430. That's $0.30 per pound of additional lift
 
   / Too impulsive? I don't think so but I'll listen... #6  
Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

I think you will do fine with the eReverser 4410. A lot of what makes a hydro great is there in the eReverser, you can adjust the reverser speed, and get back and forth without clutching.

Good point on the skid steer carrier. But the big problem with skid steer atachments is they often weigh too much to be useable on the 4410.

Get skid plates.

I am on record to say that right now a good deal on a 4410 is your best buy. That is what I really think.
 
   / Too impulsive? I don't think so but I'll listen...
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Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

Thanks for the advice, guys. With the pricing they gave me, it looks like they're just about throwing the 430 in, so I don't think I'll ask them to unbolt it and put on a 300CX that they'll want top dollar for. With the Bobcat, the FEL on the tractor is icing on the cake. I wouldn't even be getting one if it wasn't required for the backhoe.

I think I will spring the extra money for the 48 backhoe. Not just because it "matches" the 430. It looks beefier in the pictures and the spec sheet reads a little better, too. Too bad they don't have one of each for me to look at. It and the finish mower are the primary reasons for the purchase, so I might as well do it right.

As for Hydro, you guys may be right that the screaming deal I am getting is because of the standard transmission. I'm not worried about resale...I plan on living with this tractor for a while. And while I drive an auto tranny on the road ('03 Avalanche Z71), I don't mind having a clutch on my tractor.

Again thanks to all. I'll post pics when the baby is delivered.
 
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Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

I wouldn't be worried about the transmission as much. If you drove it and liked it,, that's the main thing. The PoweReverser is a great transmission, far from a plain gear or collar shift transmission. Seamless shifts between Forward and REverse with no clutch.. it's a beautiful transmission. I just sold one to a TBN member in PA, and so far he loves it on his 4310.
Enjoy the tractor, it will provide you years of reliable service. Skid plates are great, especially if rotary mowing in rough ground. The 48 bh is definately worth getting, I rarely recommend the 47 unless it's on a 4210.
Good luck with it, and get us some pics ASAP!!!
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   / Too impulsive? I don't think so but I'll listen... #9  
Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

Dutch is right about the 47 vs 48. If I had to do anything over it would be to have gone to the 48. The 47 is perfectly fine for my use, but I can't keep it if I upgrade to a 4x20, which I could do if I had the 48.

But I am not hurting, no need to send flowers.

Dutch, glad to hear you sold to a TBNer. Your posts are a huge help to us, glad you were able to see some fruit...
 
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Re: Too impulsive? I don\'t think so but I\'ll listen...

why thanks Mike!

always glad to help when I can.......

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