Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land

   / Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land #1  

GregMVT

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Hi,

Here's the story. We own a little over 13 acres on the edge of a village in Vermont. Most of the land is hilly/wooded and couldn't be built on without a large investment. We have a small maple sugaring operation (about 84 gallons made last year), have 5 pigs (first time with them), a small flock of egg chickens (in a run since we border an elementary school a little to the north of us), just built a 4'x8' smokehouse (can cut hickory and some apple off our property for smoking and we love smoked bacon/ham/cheese) and grow whatever vegtables that we can in the few flat areas (put in 400+ pounds of potatos under a powerline right of way, pumpkins, tomatoes, 3 kinds of squash, etc) Some of this we sell, a lot is donated directly to the college where I work, or to employees at the college, overgrown squash goes to the chickens/pigs (they're tired of it too and won't eat it all!!) We also put in 8 apple trees in an area where I can plant more if they do well, (if the deer leave them alone!!) When I put in 100 aspargus roots last year I had to do it on my front lawn since flat land is at a premium here!! I am in my early 50's and am looking at ways I can supplement my income when I retire in 15 years or so.

The point of this thread is my next door neighbor had bought an apartment house and was approved to have 3 apartments. It originally was an old folks home that he converted. He made 6 apartments assuming that he could get a variance on the zoning but some of the other neighbors have been fighting it so he has only been able to rent out the 3 he was approved for. His problem is that he needs another 2,500 square feet of land to be able to have a fourth apartment without needing a variance. He has been after me for about 3 years to sell him some land that borders his property, roughly 86' by 30'. This is flat land that I could expand the apple orchard. I have no incentive to sell other than I could use the money to pay down the mortgage on the house, thus possibly retiring a little earlier than I am planning now.

My thoughts on this is that if he buys the land (he says he will pay for the survey and cost to change the deeds) that the value of his property will be increased a lot because of the house going from 3 apartments to 4. To me it seems that this increase in value of his property is what the sale of my land is really worth. Does this sound logical? and does anyone have an idea where I could go to find out what this value really would be?

Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Greg
 
   / Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land #2  
Look up Real Estate Appraisers on line or in the phone book. One of those folks can give you a realistic idea of the value.
Think hard about this...do you really want to sell flat land and give up the apple orchard? Will the money (after taxes) pay down that much of you mortgage?

Good luck in your decision!
 
   / Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land #3  
What you would get out of the deal would be minimal. Put an outrageous price on the land so you can retire next year and enjoy your new renting neighbors and buy your apples at the store. IF that is what YOU really want.
 
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GregMVT said:
Hi,

My thoughts on this is that if he buys the land (he says he will pay for the survey and cost to change the deeds) that the value of his property will be increased a lot because of the house going from 3 apartments to 4. To me it seems that this increase in value of his property is what the sale of my land is really worth. Does this sound logical? and does anyone have an idea where I could go to find out what this value really would be?

Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Greg

After reading your post, it seems to me like you can name your price. If he doesn't like it, let him chew on it for a while...He has wasted space (4th apt.) that he can't use unless he HAS more property. You have his only option for getting permission to renting the 4th apt...MORE LAND.

As for a place to go find out what the price of the property is, make it worth YOUR while, ask what YOU want. If he says no, so be it...no sweat off your brow because you have plans to expand your farming venture anyhow:)

You are holding the cards! When/If a price is negotiated, be sure he adheres to his original plan of paying all closing/deed/title search (if any)/survey charges. It's part of doing business. ALWAYS remember that you have something he needs, not the other way around. His offer to buy the land only spurred your imagination of what you COULD do with the money, not what you HAVE to do with it...

Friends are friends...But business is business...once the property is sold, you'll never get it back. Don't get "emotional" on it. Get your price, or keep it to make money off it by expanding your orchard!
Good luck, keep us posted.

Podunk
 
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Be careful about putting an outrageous price on the piece of land. A friend of mine from work had this old horse named Bill. Him and Bill had been through a lot together in the many years he had him, going to field trials and just riding. There was another fellow at the trials that always asked Rendal about selling Bill to him. Rendal always told him he wouldn't sell Bill. Then one year, Rendal decided to tell the fellow an "outrageous" price for "Ole Bill", so the fellow would quit bothering him. Rendal figured 3x what he paid for Bill and added a little more. The fellow took out his checkbook and wrote the check. Rendal told Bill to get on the man's trailer.

So, unless you are really sure you want to get rid of the land, and are sure it will help you to retire earlier. Don't even put a value on it.
 
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motepoc said:
Be careful about putting an outrageous price on the piece of land. A friend of mine from work had this old horse named Bill. Him and Bill had been through a lot together in the many years he had him, going to field trials and just riding. There was another fellow at the trials that always asked Rendal about selling Bill to him. Rendal always told him he wouldn't sell Bill. Then one year, Rendal decided to tell the fellow an "outrageous" price for "Ole Bill", so the fellow would quit bothering him. Rendal figured 3x what he paid for Bill and added a little more. The fellow took out his checkbook and wrote the check. Rendal told Bill to get on the man's trailer.

So, unless you are really sure you want to get rid of the land, and are sure it will help you to retire earlier. Don't even put a value on it.


Great story!

The same applies (but in an opposite manner) to me right now. A farmer/neighbor of mine is selling 152 acres to my north property line. He has it divided up into several 18-25 acre tracts. Wanting to "test" the waters, I made him an offer for 24 acres of it that borders my property line. I threw out a lowball offer, far below what he has it listed for, just to get a feel for how low he'd go:eek: . Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind expanding my property, but really didn't feel like spending 100k right now with a baby on the way. Well, he took the offer. Now, if I back out, I'll look like a schmuck. Wife and I are talking about buying it now...

Same type story, just opposite. :eek:
 
   / Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land #7  
Tell him to make an offer to see how serious he is. Whatever he says tell him that wouldn’t be even half of what you would consider. Then you will find out how serious he really is.

Do you really want to add more renters next door?

MarkV
 
   / Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land #8  
Podunkadunk,

That is the exact opposite. That man is "wanting to sell", so you go about it the opposite way (as you said), offer him a third (plus a little less) of his asking price, and see where he goes. Kinda like the story, he took the offer, now you need to write the check. With a baby on the way, I can understand the hesitation. My MIL was telling us that FIL was buying all the property he could while they were young and she asked why???? He told her because they don't make no more of it.

Good luck on your decision.
 
   / Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land #9  
If all the neighbor needs is the additional land square footage and is not going to build on it, sell it to him for a fair price BUT: Get a 99 year lease from him for $10.00 and then plant all the apples you want.

You've made a good neighbor and still get to control the property.
 
   / Thoughts/opinions on selling small piece of land #10  
If some of your steep land is adjacent to his property, you could consider selling him that and keeping the flat land for yourself.

Just saw the lease idea - that is a good suggestion!

Ken
 

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