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[ToolBoxTavern]

I know the majority of the answers will be unless putting both in the same scenario doing the same thing at the same time we cannot answer this question, but here it goes.

Will the new 4wd 4025 out perform the 5035?

I know which has more HP, lift, weight and all the above, and with the 4wd 4025 being new there is not a lot to go on. If we could get some 4wd 4025 new owners to chime in it would be great, but I'll take the 2wd 4025 owners and the 5035 owners thou and anyone else who wants to get in on it.

My dealer believes the 4wd 4025 will out perform the 5035 and is the best unit Mahindra has ever came out with. What all do you think comparing these 2 machines?

Just trying to figure which would be the best all around and most durable machine to own and operate for life. I'm going 4wd 4025 folks.

 

[Texan4Life]

well I guess it depends on how your measure performance.

sales volume?
owner feedback?
pulling power?
Reliability?
Spec sheet jousting?
all of the above?

What gets me the most about a 25 series is the live PTO.

personally I would have a 35 series.

But there is definitely room in the market for both series, just depends on what you want out of your tractor.

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

This is true.

The pto on the 25 series is a live pto, but with a 2 stage clutch so in a sense wouldnt it be both live and independent just like the 35 series, but with out the electronic solenoid to switch from live to independent?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I would say that a person should be comparing the 4025 and 4035. Pretty close in everything except that the 4035 has 12 gears forward and reverse where as the 4025 has a 8f 2r trans. Transmission is definitely in favor of the 35 series and therefore IMO the better machine. I would love to see the 4025 style with all the upgrades and tranny options of the 35 series. Now that would be . As far as the original question, I believe that between the 5035s more hp and more gears that it would out perform the 4025.

Just my opinion.

 

[Texan4Life]

This is true.

The pto on the 25 series is a live pto, but with a 2 stage clutch so in a sense wouldnt it be both live and independent just like the 35 series, but with out the electronic solenoid to switch from live to independent?

Independent PTO has its own wet clutch pack in the trans (independent from the main clutch) that is engaged with hydraulic pressure. The hydraulics for it is usually controlled with a manual lever (isn't the 16 series like this?) or with a electrohydraulic solenoid. The solenoid can be problematic as seen on aging/weathered 10 series tractors. But then again with live pto, you would have to keep up with clutch/clutch pedal adjustments, in order to keep the nice distinction of the 2 stages, tho probably not often.

Live pto is a more simple design, but IPTO has been common since the 60's and has proven itself as far as the internals go imo. now on solenoid actuated systems, it can be iffy, but the key seems to be use it so the solenoid stays free and doesn't get stuck from not moving.

edit: oh now I think i know what you mean by switch from live to independent. like a switch to either turn the pto on/off or have it "live" and turn on/off with the clutch pedal? This is still an IPTO system, but it is using a switch activated by the clutch to turn the solenoid on/off (instead of working the clutch in a live pto setup) so it is the same as turning it on/off manually, but just replicates the clutching of a live pto for users who are used to that or prefer it.

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

I must say most excellent answers!

I would say that a person should be comparing the 4025 and 4035. Pretty close in everything except that the 4035 has 12 gears forward and reverse where as the 4025 has a 8f 2r trans. Transmission is definitely in favor of the 35 series and therefore IMO the better machine. I would love to see the 4025 style with all the upgrades and tranny options of the 35 series. Now that would be . As far as the original question, I believe that between the 5035s more hp and more gears that it would out perform the 4025.

Just my opinion.

Yes, I believe that the 4035 should be the one compared to the 4025, but this is what the dealer says. As far as the trannies I believe the 4025 tranny is bullet proof and has the basics that has been proven over time where as the 35 series does have more gears, but also more moving parts making it more vulnerable, but able to find the right gear for the right job.

Independent PTO has its own wet clutch pack in the trans that is engaged with hydraulic pressure. The hydraulics for it is usually controlled with a manual lever (isn't the 16 series like this?) or with a electrohydraulic solenoid. The solenoid can be problematic as seen on aging/weathered 10 series tractors. But then again with live pto, you would have to keep up with clutch/clutch pedal adjustments, tho probably not often.

Live pto is a more simple design, but IPTO has been common since the 60's and has proven itself as far as the internals go imo. now on solenoid actuated systems, it can be iffy, but the key seems to be use it so the solenoid stays free and doesn't get stuck from not moving.

Yes the live is simple on the 25 series and clutch and pedal adjustments will need to be made over time, but a bullet proof proven design where as on the 35 series the push button electric solenoid is most convenient with a flick of the other switch to go from live to independent and have the best of all worlds, but failing electronics could leave you wanting a clutch/clutch pedal adjustment.




Not to mention lift capacity 25 series, but gpm 35 series.

 

[Texan4Life]

Yes the live is simple on the 25 series and clutch and pedal adjustments will need to be made over time, but a bullet proof proven design where as on the 35 series the push button electric solenoid is most convenient with a flick of the other switch to go from live to independent and have the best of all worlds, but failing electronics could leave you wanting a clutch/clutch pedal adjustment.

yep the 25 series reminds me of the farmall letter series (or other colors of that vintage), with just the right improvements to keep up with what most expect from a tractor today.... turns out FEL's, 3 pt, and 4wd is pretty dang useful!

 

[ToolBoxTavern]

Suppose I could add with the 25 series you will always be tripping over the shifter when getting on off and the 35 series is the probably the better of the 2 when it comes to ergonomics.

4025 series has 435lbs more lift on the 3point and 166lbs more lift on the FEL, but the 5035 has 122lbs more break out force.

Both are 4cyl non turbo so in my books no turbo is a plus, one less thing to go wrong or break.

You could have the 5035 with R1s or R4s, but on the 4025 probably only get R1s due to the wider axle on the 4025 puts it at 85" and most trailers are 82" inside the rails unless a deck over.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Suppose I could add with the 25 series you will always be tripping over the shifter when getting on off and the 35 series is the probably the better of the 2 when it comes to ergonomics.

4025 series has 435lbs more lift on the 3point and 166lbs more lift on the FEL, but the 5035 has 122lbs more break out force.

Both are 4cyl non turbo so in my books no turbo is a plus, one less thing to go wrong or break.

You could have the 5035 with R1s or R4s, but on the 4025 probably only get R1s due to the wider axle on the 4025 puts it at 85" and most trailers are 82" inside the rails unless a deck over.

Turbos have been around for a long long time and are about as dependable as any other moving part on an engine. Most all semi trucks have them, drive millions of miles without breaking. If you are anywhere up in altitude, having a turbo is a must IMO. I have 4 engines with them and no problems as of yet.

Just my :2cents:

 

[DavesTractor]

My dealer believes the 4wd 4025 will out perform the 5035 and is the best unit Mahindra has ever came out with. What all do you think comparing these 2 machines?

I'd say your dealer has probably sold a ton of the 25 series 2wd models in the past and really values a simple HD tractor with no bells and whistles. For a guy that likes no frills, yet wants 4wd, wants PS, wants a 2-stage clutch, etc...but doesn't care so much about ergonomics, extra gears etc, the 4025-4wd is perfect. Really, what is not to like? Strong, heavy, simple, dependable and reasonably priced.

However some people do not like the sticks on the transmission tunnel and prefer power-shuttle or HST and so on. For them, the 35 series, as our deluxe model, is a good unit to look at. And even though I am a fan of the 4025, you must admit that the look is more "classic". It hasn't changed in years.

As far as which one will outperfom, that depends on the test. A 5035HST will rototill better than a 4025-4wd. A 5035PST is sure a good loader tractor with the clutchless forward-reverse. Pulling a heavy disc? It's hard to beat a regular gear tractor for field work. Etc. A Jeep will beat a Ferarri if the Jeep gets to set up the race course.