This has to be a record !!!

[Tony H]

The mindset of making appliances more efficient by making smaller motors and running the crap out of them boggles my mind. A more efficient unit that has to be thrown out and recycled CANNOT be more fuel efficient in the long run.
Less efficient with much longer life has got to be more fossil fuel efficient. Longer cycle times.

 

[MossRoad]

One thing I remember about childhood is how rare it was to have ice, and what a pain it was to have to fill the ice-cube trays. And, there was never enough ice if we had company.

We use quite a bit of ice at home. I like my ice mint sun tea and my wife likes to sip a cold beverage while she works from home. We also hard-boil a lot of eggs and use that for the cool down. We've had an ice maker in the fridge freezer for 27 years. I won't be without one every again.

 

[Jstpssng]

At 26 lbs/24 hour period this https://www.lowes.com/pd/EdgeStar-E...6981&msclkid=9b90ae519fac11361e38ccd67c9387bc would make all of the ice I ever need.

 

[DieselBound]

The mindset of making appliances more efficient by making smaller motors and running the crap out of them boggles my mind. A more efficient unit that has to be thrown out and recycled CANNOT be more fuel efficient in the long run.
Less efficient with much longer life has got to be more fossil fuel efficient. Longer cycle times.

In my mind it's more about profiteering. Manufacturers are cutting down on product cycle times and testing is more and more performed via computer simulators which are programmed by folks that don't understand the full extent of the working environments that their products will go in to. Blame can be placed on consumers for "taking all the bait," which only helps encourage such manufacturing processes. Competition for market share is all about dangling ever-shinier things to consumers. One could say that with less competition such practices could be reduced (and, well, I'll suggest that this will be the case but ->), yet that's where we are now and that's not really happening: it's due to a push for more profits. Vicious cycle going on. There's no longer additional up-tapped markets such that startups can squeeze in to get some bit of share: the majors control the markets, and with their political influences only ensure that they stay in such positions.

 

[jjeff]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but real world comparison, it takes energy and resources to make these throw away appliances when will the energy saved by running smaller more efficient offset the amount of energy and resources used to manufacture the same appliance multiple times needed due to a shorter lifespan? compared to the lifespan of older less efficient appliances that seem to last forever.Not to mention any savings you make in energy consumption are offset by having to replace the appliance every few years
Seems like a racket.imo

 

[lman]

At 26 lbs/24 hour period this https://www.lowes.com/pd/EdgeStar-E...6981&msclkid=9b90ae519fac11361e38ccd67c9387bc would make all of the ice I ever need.

Our fridge/freezer makes plenty of ice for us. Maybe if there were another half a dozen people around here we'd need more.

 

[Larry D Johnson]

It’s not a tractor, but it’s more than worth mentioning.

I just had a 2020 almost brand new whirlpool fridge ice maker go bad…no more whirlpools ever again.

During my rant, l just learned that my 94 yr old uncle has a wedding gift that is still working. It’s a 72 yr old Sears & Roebuck Coldspot freezer that is still cranking out the cold temps. Can you believe it??? I’ve enclosed the ser & model #’s so you can look up the dates. It’s been plugged in the whole time, minus 3 move times…what a beast !!!

A few years ago I heard how great Samsung appliances were. We bought a washing machine and then a refrigerator. The washer gave up not long after warranty and they had redesigned it and the whole internal tub assembly had to be replaced and was going to cost almost $1200. Replaced the whole washer instead. Just yesterday the refrigerator started acting up again. Already replaced some parts in it and the ice maker twice. The fridge has a center drawer and stuff in it started freezing but it's no supposed to. It a common failure with these and $350 to fix if you do all the work. Never again will I buy samsung. I also learned that french door refrigerators have the worse longevity ratings. I am now reluctant to put any more money in the fridge. An appliance repair guy online told me to buy a new one and get the simplest one you can get. Makes sense to me.

 

[DieselBound]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but real world comparison, it takes energy and resources to make these throw away appliances when will the energy saved by running smaller more efficient offset the amount of energy and resources used to manufacture the same appliance multiple times needed due to a shorter lifespan? compared to the lifespan of older less efficient appliances that seem to last forever.
Seems like a racket.imo

Totally agree. This has been a HUGE question of mine vis a vis emissions stuff on vehicles. There's a reasonable intent but as humans are want to do, we hide the "bad parts" in order to make things look good. Summed in one word (and it's always been this, it's just that now days its execution requires more complex means/tricks/slight-of-hand in order to achieve): EXTERNALIZATION [of costs].

Humans can only create products/actual things via:
1) Natural materials ("synthetic" materials and other engineered materials still rely on stuff that is found naturally on this planet0;
2) Energy (cannot be created or destroyed, but ain't getting any easier to get a hold of);
3) Plans (aka "technology," the recipe, the "know-how" - technology alone cannot "save us").

"Efficiency" is but a means of being able to provide MORE of a thing. It does not, by itself, conserve anything when viewed in total: but, anything viewed within a small scope and in a short enough time frame can be seen as being successful (even if only for a nanosecond - "look ma, I can fly!").

 

[JethroB]

One thing I remember about childhood is how rare it was to have ice, and what a pain it was to have to fill the ice-cube trays. And, there was never enough ice if we had company.

We use quite a bit of ice at home. I like my ice mint sun tea and my wife likes to sip a cold beverage while she works from home. We also hard-boil a lot of eggs and use that for the cool down. We've had an ice maker in the fridge freezer for 27 years. I won't be without one every again.

My dad owned & operated the local drugstore with a soda fountain and a big chip ice maker. When we were growing up he would come rushing through the house door Monday thru Saturdays at 7:05 pm with a dripping melting paper bag of ice for use at suppertime. Plop it would go into the dish rack beside the kitchen sink. Let’s eat!

 

[DieselBound]

My dad owned & operated the local drugstore with a soda fountain and a big chip ice maker. When we were growing up he would come rushing through the house door Monday thru Saturdays at 7:05 pm with a dripping melting paper bag of ice for suppertime. Plop it would go into the dish rack beside the kitchen sink. Let’s eat!

Let them eat ice!

 

[JethroB]

Let them eat ice!

Oops. I edited it.

 

[Jstpssng]

Our fridge/freezer makes plenty of ice for us. Maybe if there were another half a dozen people around here we'd need more.

I do that also. Often the defrost cycle has dried the trays out before I use them. That’s why I said that I would buy one of those IF and instead of, I thought I needed an ice maker in the frig.

 

[jjeff]

Its funny in the appliance world what they try and pass off and charge more for as stainless steel. Most probably know Real stainless has useful antimicrobial properties, my "Stainless steel" fridge holds magnetic pictures .

 

[Williy]

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Out next washer & dryer will be speed queen
they last a lot longer than the other brands.

Never buy the top of the line washing machine
I worked on appliances the last two knobs on the
washing machine cost $50 each and all three knobs
did the same thing all wired together just look at
the schematic.

It seems like the new frigerators last about 2 or 3
months past the warranty and you get stuck with
the repair and the pc board costs about $600 and
takes only 6 or 7 months to get one.

Its cheaper the purchase the small referators from
walmart under $200 they will probably last longer
than the larger more expensive ones and they are
very simple to dispose of

If you are going to purchase a window a/c unit don't
get them from walmart they take 15 amps for a 5000
btu unit when you can get an 8000 btu unit that draws
6.4 amps. Chrysler a/c company had a window unit
that put out 14400 btu drawing 6.4 amps but they sold
the company and all kinds of law suits resulted.

willy

 

[Jstpssng]

Its funny in the appliance world what they try and pass off and charge more for as stainless steel. Most probably know Real stainless has useful antimicrobial properties, my "Stainless steel" fridge holds magnetic pictures .

My 5 gallon stainless steel pot rusted out.

 

[herringchoker]

It’s not a tractor, but it’s more than worth mentioning.

I just had a 2020 almost brand new whirlpool fridge ice maker go bad…no more whirlpools ever again.

During my rant, l just learned that my 94 yr old uncle has a wedding gift that is still working. It’s a 72 yr old Sears & Roebuck Coldspot freezer that is still cranking out the cold temps. Can you believe it??? I’ve enclosed the ser & model #’s so you can look up the dates. It’s been plugged in the whole time, minus 3 move times…what a beast !!!

Interesting....the 106 code in the model number on the 72 yr old freezer means it was built by Whirlpool....different times.

 

[jjeff]

My 5 gallon stainless steel pot rusted out.

For some of the prices out there Id be hoping for 304 or 316 stainless which is not magnetic and somewhat antimicrobial.

 

[nytryder]

After our fancy front loading digital washer and dryer died to to a power surge, I did a little research before replacing them. We bought a new Speed Queen set with manual controls. Still made 100% in the US (Wisconsin) and they weigh twice as much as comparable units made by other companies. Because all the gears and internals are steel, brass and bronze. The company says they have an average life of 25 years before needing repairs. We’ll see, but they have been trouble free for 6 years so far.

I purchased a commercial Speed Queen washer. It has everything but the coin box. Same as those found in laundry mats. I can repair it myself if need be and parts should be available just about forever. Cost me a little less than a grand.

 

[nytryder]

Its funny in the appliance world what they try and pass off and charge more for as stainless steel. Most probably know Real stainless has useful antimicrobial properties, my "Stainless steel" fridge holds magnetic pictures .

Mine holds rust!

 

[greenrider1]

After our fancy front loading digital washer and dryer died to to a power surge, I did a little research before replacing them. We bought a new Speed Queen set with manual controls. Still made 100% in the US (Wisconsin) and they weigh twice as much as comparable units made by other companies. Because all the gears and internals are steel, brass and bronze. The company says they have an average life of 25 years before needing repairs. We’ll see, but they have been trouble free for 6 years so far.

We've had our Speed Queen washer for about 12 years now and it's still going strong. There's parts availability too since Speed Queen builds most of the commercial models for laundromats. They are pricey but they're built like a tank. If you're in the market for a simple, no frills washing machine or dryer that should outlast all the junk Lowe's and HD sell, look no further. There's a simple adjustment to get the wash tub to fill completely since EPA regs only allow the new ones to fill up around 2/3 full, which is really stupid.