The Resting Place.

[Hay Dude]

I guess I'm going to have to watch that movie. I hope it holds up so many years later, and isn't too cliche after all that have copied it.

Whoa,,,,whoa…. you’ve never seen Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid?
Damn bro….you need to rent that tonight.
I don’t watch a lot of movies, but that is a GREAT movie.

 

[WinterDeere]

Whoa,,,,whoa…. you’ve never seen Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid?
Damn bro….you need to rent that tonight.
I don’t watch a lot of movies, but that is a GREAT movie.

Hey, I wasn't even born when it came out!

I thought I'd watched all of the greats, albeit mostly decades after release, but I guess I missed that one!

Westerns are a funny thing, tho. For me, the Eastood's hold up well, even the most plagarized one of all time: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Great movie. But the John Wayne's do not, they're just too cliche and corny, to watch with tainted modern sensibilities and experience. I fear Sundance & Butch might be like that.

Then again, last night I watched Panic in Year Zero, from 1962. Not a great film, by any stretch of the imagination, but still a fun watch. Amazon knows to throw me some obscure old titles, based on my watch history. Bonus: the son was played by Philly boy, Frankie Avalon.

 

[Runner]

Westerns are a funny thing, tho. For me, the Eastood's hold up well, even the most plagarized one of all time: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Great movie. But the John Wayne's do not, they're just too cliche and corny, to watch with tainted modern sensibilities and experience. I fear Sundance & Butch might be like that.

Not really. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid definitely appeals to "modern sensibilities" because the "heroes" are criminals.

 

[Runner]

And, while on the subject, there's even a point at which John Wayne westerns took on "modern sensibilities" (love that phrase WinterDeere). Don't ask me to tell you exactly where the dividing line was, but for example, the old school Wayne westerns had brutal, bloody battles with Native Americans, while the modern-era movies always presented them more sympathetically.

The modern Wayne westerns had him sticking up for Native Americans when the government was trying to put them on reservations. Also, he was also always working along side of and was friends with Native American characters (even though they may have been adversaries in earlier times).

Then, there is John Wayne, the environmentalist. In numerous western roles he would lament the encroachment of modern society on nature, such as hunting to near extinction of buffalo, etc. In McClintock, he states that he is going to leave his thousands of acres of ranch land to the citizens of the US to be a national park (rather than bequeath it to his daughter).

Just some examples of nuance, even in John Wayne westerns.

 

[Quaffer]

But the John Wayne's do not, they're just too cliche and corny, to watch with tainted modern sensibilities and experience. I fear Sundance & Butch might be like that.

I'd recommend watching it and letting us know your impression.

And, John Wayne in Rooster Cogburn, with Katherine Hepburn, is a masterpiece.

 

[drssg]

As I get older, I have a harder time accepting the ridiculously portrayed shooting skills and fighting techniques in old westerns.

I believe it was a Clint Eastwood movie where a bad guy is attempting to intimidate Clint. He does a quick draw and fires a "warning" shot that hits about an inch from Clint's head.

Clint barely even responds. He is somehow clairvoyant enough to know that the bad guy wasn't really trying to kill him, and the bad guy has supernatural speed accuracy with a six-shooter.

As a child, I would just accept that. As an adult, I find it too silly to watch.

 

[WinterDeere]

As a child, I would just accept that. As an adult, I find it too silly to watch.

One thing I've noticed about both music and movies, is that your enjoyment of them is highly dependent on your age and perspective at the time you first saw them. It's why old people prefer movies and actors that their kids fail to appreciate.

Regarding John Wayne, I think he's a great man who did many great things for both the industry and those in his circle, but his acting style is too old and hackneyed for this child of the 1970's to appreciate. The Clint movies may be every bit as ridiculous in premise, probably even moreso, but they're more "of my time".

 

[Jstpssng]

As I get older, I have a harder time accepting the ridiculously portrayed shooting skills and fighting techniques in old westerns.

I believe it was a Clint Eastwood movie where a bad guy is attempting to intimidate Clint. He does a quick draw and fires a "warning" shot that hits about an inch from Clint's head.

Clint barely even responds. He is somehow clairvoyant enough to know that the bad guy wasn't really trying to kill him, and the bad guy has supernatural speed accuracy with a six-shooter.

As a child, I would just accept that. As an adult, I find it too silly to watch.

There are many things like that, not just in Westerns. Bruce Willis was in a firefight with somebody in a helicopter. All that he had was 2 rounds in a snub nosed revolver, yet somehow managed to shoot and sever a high tension power line, which landed on the helicopter rotors, causing a spectacular crash. I believe there was also some spectacular arcing effects, despite the fact that the machine wasn't grounded.

 

[ultrarunner]

As I get older, I have a harder time accepting the ridiculously portrayed shooting skills and fighting techniques in old westerns.

I believe it was a Clint Eastwood movie where a bad guy is attempting to intimidate Clint. He does a quick draw and fires a "warning" shot that hits about an inch from Clint's head.

Clint barely even responds. He is somehow clairvoyant enough to know that the bad guy wasn't really trying to kill him, and the bad guy has supernatural speed accuracy with a six-shooter.

As a child, I would just accept that. As an adult, I find it too silly to watch.

And yet we have highly decorated soldiers that against all odds demonstrated the same in battle… add to that Hollywood bigger than life and you get Wayne, Eastwood, etc…

 

[ultrarunner]

For those that think only in Hollywood…

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