The New F150

/ The New F150 #101  
Sendero, well said ! I have nothing bad to say about them. I just dont like them or maybe its that I dont like the idea, either way I think you got it right. we all like what we like and thats it. There is no way I could justify the "need" for a 345 hp Hemi to cart my wife back and forth a whopping 15 miles a day to work. Other than she likes it and that makes me happy happy. I did see on the truck trend web site that Nissan is comeing out with a full size truck. Dont those people make thermos bottles ??? lol, sorry I just couldn't resist /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Bob, Now about those Walleyes !!! man am I hungry. The lake Huron count is down to 6 each per person so it has been hard the last two years to justify the cost of going out for a day. It used to be 10 so the cost if a charter was some what justified by filling the freezer. But I doudt they taste as good as the ones you guys have. I can smell that camp fire already. Dave
 
/ The New F150 #102  
I didn't scour the list...don't know for sure. Doc says it is and I believe him. I just wanted to share a resource.
 
/ The New F150 #103  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( what if, just for speculation, that Toyota bought Ford )</font>

Well, Toyota would have a decent truck then /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I couldn't pass that up. I really don't care what everyone drives. I don't make their payments so it doesn't matter. Trucks are trucks. Just like tractors we buy what we like and what works best for our uses. I think that should be all that matters. Have fun.
 
/ The New F150 #104  
In 2005, Honda will debut their full-size truck. Currently the speculation is that it will be body on frame like the rest of the full-sizes or possible a unibody based upon the Honda Odessy. A unibody truck may not be able to tow 10,000 lbs, but it will certainly carry two bags of fertilizer and have car like performance.
 
/ The New F150 #105  
Honda makes nice bikes. Never tried any of their other vehicles though. Would be strange to see a Honda truck but stranger things have happened. Do you have any pics of it yet or is it still on the drawing board as this is the first I have heard of it. Always interested in learning about a new truck.
 
/ The New F150 #106  
Maybe something like this.


From Pickuptruck.com
Illustration © 2003, Mark Stehrenberger Design

2005 Honda Pickup
 

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/ The New F150 #107  
"Sorry but on my F-350"

I guess you did not notice the F350 is not the type of trucks being talked about. Yes, it is probably mostly American made, for now, could care less, don't need a work truck, thanks anyway /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif. J
 
/ The New F150 #108  
"Is Doc's truck 100% American parts and labor? "

Is everyone working in the Ford factory where ever it is that makes the F350 a US citizen? Does everyone on this board claim they are native Americans as in they have no roots elsewhere, in that case none of us are native, including Native Americans. Do the steel ores that make the steel come from the US, the copper in the wires, the cloths and leathers in the seats, the electronics are totally made in the US and all materials are US made, US derived and US assembled, designed, and produced only by US born citizens? I really doubt it, OK, so cowboy, I went there, now what /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

Quick answer, No, but he likes to think so. If it makes him feel good why upset his apple cart /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. J
 
/ The New F150 #109  
Don't care much for that front bumper but overall the truck is unlike anything else on the market. Nice to see companies try to make somethind different instead of imitating another companies truck. Thanks for posting the picture.
 
/ The New F150 #110  
Ford is American made. This was in point of fact a strand about American trucks. All the Ford Trucks I have owned have been assembled in either Dearborn or Pontiac. The same is True for my GMC Duramax. I am darn proud that it has a sticker on the door that says PROUDLY ASSEMBLED IN PONTIAC /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I believe in supporting my neighbors as they support me. YES I believe that ALL employees that actually work for Ford are legal US citizens or those with Legal work visas. Either way it is a US corporation with their corporate offices in Dearborn and not Tokeyo. Its time we all started supporting our neighbors just a little bit more. So I'm with any one that buys FORD on this one. If some thing else is right for you thats A OK with me. I will do the same in my good old made IN USA truck. The apples I haul in mine are grown in the USA as well. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Dave
 
/ The New F150 #111  
I really do try to buy the highest percentage of U.S.A. domestic product as possible, but industrial globalization has made a study of my personal percentages nearly impossible. I sincerely believe that many people are naive in this area. To use a $ 0.50 phrase, it's a conundrum, or puzzle.

I will try not to get into thesis-level discussion here, but the number one priority--and responsibility--of board members for any corporation, large or small, is to maximize returns for shareholders. This is not a debate-able topic, and if you are ever close to somebody with that responsibilty, they can verify this principle. It's not just an academic notion. This pressure downward upon operational management is the primary cause for ongoing process improvement and production/procurement cost-cutting initiatives. In other words, there is the greatest incentive of all for operational management to find the highest quality, best-cost scenario for material inputs--job security. Very often this results in the sourcing of components from non-MIUSA sources. So what do YOU get? A statement on the window sticker of your new vehicle with a percentage figure stating how much of your new vehicle is made with MIUSA/Canada parts. I think the highest numbers out there right now are around 95%, even with Ford's best. Please don't take my word for it, call a dealer....

As usual, I'm long winded here, but I'm trying to make the point that our loyalties are not always shared in direct proportion by the manufacturers of our products. I do not equate this to a deliberate non-patriotic philosophy among American manufacturers, but rather to the incredible weight of responsibility of corporation to remain profitable for their stakeholders, which includes shareholders and employees alike. If GM decides to move quickly to correct its 50-60% MIUSA rating, they will likely crash and burn, putting in jeopardy thousands of U.S.-based employees and millions of dollars of U.S. shareholder equity.

While good companies try to remain profitable, sometimes they may compromise a laudable notion. The bottom line is, however, their future. Especially as automakers like Toyota, Nissan, Honda, etc., begin to manufacture and assemble products on our soil.

Here's a link to a story about the trend of foreign manufacturers who are churning out products on our soil at better margins than our own American-born companies can produce. G L O B A L B U S I N E S S / M O T O R T R E N D S

FWIW, I consider myself as patriotic as the next guy, but the realities of our evolving buisiness world are requiring us to learn more about our product sources, and to question whether our loyalty to specific American companies is miguided. Another FWIW, and I repeat, Ford appears to be doing the best at holding water, but I predict that will fluxuate over time. Each individual will have to decide how inportant the MIUSA quotient is to them for their big-ticket purchases.
 
/ The New F150 #113  
trkbldr,

I see you build the superdutys. I'd just like to say thanks as I'm sure you worked on mine, it was built in March 2003. Regardless of what some say about the motor it's been awesome for me. I love the truck and the King Ranch package is great. Thanks for building great trucks!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ The New F150 #115  
So let me get this right, some one said you were an idiot for driveing a Toyota and now If I own a GM I bought from a lousy company /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif My lousy GMC was made 15 miles from my house. Over 50% of my neighbors work for those Dodge boys and NO ONE has to pay me to be a patriot. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Dave
 
/ The New F150 #116  
There are times when one wonders what will happen when all production is outsourced to the lowest bidder. Who will buy the product when the proletariate is reduced to poverty?

Egon
 
/ The New F150 #117  
I have read the WHOLE thread now and have this to say:

Like any good patriotic Michigander. I drive an American vehicle. On the downside, I have a Japanese tractor. On the plus side, I also have American Tractors. My dalily driver is a rice burner, Suzuki Sidekick to be exact.

I just read in the Detroit paper that one out of four manufacturing jobs in Michigan has been lost and will probably never return. That saddens me.

I would never drive a Japanese pickup truck, they never will build a truck that will pull a tri axle gooseneck or a truck with real heavy duty components underneath like Dana 60 diffs or AAM Corporate 70's or 80's. The Japanese will never build a pickup truck with a sizeable turbo charged diesel engine either. Toyota is entering the "big truck" market, but their "big truck" is a F150 equivalent. If I had a 150, I'd pull the frame apart the first time I hooked a 7 ton load behind it. F150's, Chevy 1/2 ton's and Dodge Ram 1500's are trucks for the yuppie crowd to take to the grocery store. They usually have short beds and a short bed is about as useful as you know what on a boar hog.
I get a charge out of folks that buy a 150 or 1/2 ton truck. The first thing they do is get a cover for the bed, preferrably painted to match the truck. Then come the "cat back" duals and the ski-doo, yamaha, arctic cat, harley or polaris sticker on the back window. Did I forget the chrome hitch ball in the receiver, and the diamond plate tool box, excuse me.
Like I said, yuppie trucks for yuppies and Toyota trucks are yuppie trucks too.
I'll hook my F350 diesel to your yuppie truck and pull you wherever you want to go and you can leave it in park, or your foot on the brake!!

CowboyDoc and I use our trucks for business tools as well as transportation. The 1/2 ton trucks are not business tools, they are EGO tools. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
/ The New F150 #118  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( When Ford bought my truck back last year for 10 times the problems of this tractor I had to get a lawyer, go through a dispute settlement board, denials from Ford, etc. etc. They never did admit anything and only blamed me for the problems with the truck. A long ordeal and never got so much as one kind word from them when the board found in my favor. )</font>

Is this the same truck ?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
/ The New F150 #119  
Yup /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

You got it, Darryl. Not everybody uses their trucks for work all the time. Don't know what it is about that fact that makes you so angry, though. You seem to even be angry at F150 owners /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I promise I won't use disparaging remarks about people who make a living pullin' and hauling with their Fords.

Now Suzuki sidekick owners, that's a different story /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ The New F150 #120  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The 1/2 ton trucks are not business tools, they are EGO tools. )</font>

Gee !!! I guess that for the last 10 years I been running an ego and not a succesiful business. My F-150's have done everything I have ever asked of them. Why would I or anyone who has absolutly no need for anything heavier then a 1/2 ton buy something we don't need?
I am by no means a yuppie and just because many of us don't need a truck as heavy as some or use it like some, does not make us yuppies for owning what we own and drive.
I have seen just as many heavier trucks of all brands decked out with your so called yuppie stuff.
I tend to have big shoulders, but I found your post quite insulting.
That was my 2 cents worth
This started out as an interesting thread on a redesign of a long ago proven truck. I don't know what it is now but it's not even close to a discussion on the NEW 2004 F-150.
 

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