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[B7510HSD]

Not sure but I did just find this panel just a shut off I think would work fine. It says non fuseable.
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[tractortroof]

Again, not trying to be combative, but I realized you never did answer my question.

If you're sold on ICP for quality, and you have the choice of "9 equipment lines" which do you prefer and why when you install or sell a job it's that specific line?

Why not just go with a bigger name with Carrier, who owns ICP and perhaps I'm wrong, some units pretty much seem to be made on the same assembly line no matter what name badge they have on it?

My point is, although you may not like some brand names due to your own experiences in the field, there are good, legitimate licensed contractors who use a line that you have had problems with as a dealer and only want to use that line. Wouldn't common sense tell you that if good legitimate contractors are using an equipment line you're having problems with, they would have the same problems and not deal with that name brand?

That's why my philosophy has always been just because I don't like a particular line, others may for whatever reasons.

My answer was sarcastic, but you missed it. Let me be clearer:

We call the whole lot ICP because everyone knows it’s all the same. Who the hell doesn’t know that all ICP products are identical or basically identical.

Who would even ask that question? Knowing anything about hvac manufacturing?

 

[Sigarms]

My answer was sarcastic, but you missed it. Let me be clearer:

We call the whole lot ICP because everyone knows it’s all the same. Who the hell doesn’t know that all ICP products are identical or basically identical.

Who would even ask that question? Knowing anything about hvac manufacturing?

You still didn't answer my question, what "line do you sell" and "why".

Apparently you're missing my whole line of thinking, as the more important question to those two questions is "why".

Why you buy what line of ICP you buy in a lot of aspects is no different why homeowners, who aren't in the "HVAC industry" have notions as to what they want to buy for their own home and why.

There are homeowners that refuse a brand name no matter what? If it's a bad experience, I can understand that, the bigger question becomes if that bad experience was due to the actual equipment or the HVAC installer.

Go to a HVAC supply house and ask any contractor who makes Air Quest or Arcoaire. I'm guessing at least 70% won't be able to tell you, and those are "professionals", not homeowners.

Since you're a professional in HVAC, who makes Sure Comfort? No different than ICP IMO with all their various lines.

However, if you sell and work with a line over the years, you tend to see the variances. If you're a contractor who doesn't work with that line, chances are you have no clue.

Unlike yourself, I see ICP as nothing more than Carrier, because Carrier created their own monster when they bought out ICP back around 1999.

Since your familiar with ICP, perhaps you can answer me this, as it seems I can't get a straight answer....

1 - Exactly what is the difference between the "R" series 14 SEER ICP and "N" series 14 SEER ICP unit? The only thing I can figure out is the coil coating.

2 - Why did ICP remove the high pressure switch from the "N" series as the letter than went out from ICP stated was it was not needed with redundant safeties in place on the "N" series, however, you'll find the high pressure switch on the Mainline series?

 

[tractortroof]

When we say “ICP” we really mean ICP. Last week I installed Maratherm and Grandaire, I’ve installed every other ICP brand also. Right now we are all brand ******. Wherever we can get it.

We are in a major city and equipment is in short supply. Mainline is basically unavailable…which who really cares anyway. I didn’t even put mainline in my own house.

Maratherm is a clone of tempstar/ comfortmaker which is the best paint job of them all.

I’ve ordered a lot from an eBay store of all places. Funny thing is they are slightly cheaper than our distributor even with shipping.

I met another contractor today and we were talking about Trane coil problems and he said what you said “everybody had coil problems” I asked him about his experience with ICP, he thought I was just talking about Carrier. I didn’t want to tell him where we get our stuff from because they have such a supply problem, it’s going to be a huge problem this summer, and I’ll probably be installing Goodman or anything else I can find and take my chances.

 

[Sigarms]

When we say “ICP” we really mean ICP. Last week I installed Maratherm and Grandaire, I’ve installed every other ICP brand also. Right now we are all brand ******. Wherever we can get it.

We are in a major city and equipment is in short supply. Mainline is basically unavailable…which who really cares anyway. I didn’t even put mainline in my own house.

Maratherm is a clone of tempstar/ comfortmaker which is the best paint job of them all.

I’ve ordered a lot from an eBay store of all places. Funny thing is they are slightly cheaper than our distributor even with shipping.

I met another contractor today and we were talking about Trane coil problems and he said what you said “everybody had coil problems” I asked him about his experience with ICP, he thought I was just talking about Carrier. I didn’t want to tell him where we get our stuff from because they have such a supply problem, it’s going to be a huge problem this summer, and I’ll probably be installing Goodman or anything else I can find and take my chances.

You've found one issue with ICP that I found out a long time ago. At the end of the day, they are no better than Goodman from the professional side.

FYI - I've handled Tempstar, Heil, Comfortmaker along with Maratherm. The paint job is done on the same assembly line, the only difference I could find was the coil coating.

 

[vybo]

Installation is super important, but I can tell you after 20+ years experience in hvac and many additional years in aviation electronics that brand in hvac systems matters.

In florida systems go through the harshest trials, and ICP products are the best.

The worst in no uncertain order: Trane, York, Lennox, ruud/Rheem, etc. Most are called the worst because of evaporator coil failure rate.

I actively work in the field and have since 2001, right now we’re replacing 10-13 year old Goodman’s that we installed. Goodman is my second favorite brand (a distant second) . At 13 years, in our climate, they are generally falling apart.

I live in Florida. I have been through most brands mentioned. tractorproof is dead wrong. It is mainly installation contractor, brand second. He is a troll as all forums say the opposite of him for reliability. Trane and Rheem/Rudd is the worst? Laughable, they are the BEST! He likes ICP products, most swear at them, not by them. I just talked to a retired HVAG guy yesterday and he said the C and ICP brands were the most breakdowns in Florida he has ever seen. tractorproof is a joke or a TROLL. Go with Rheem/Ruud overall for average cost and good reliability, and add the JB & Associates 10 year labor and parts warranty for another grand or so. That is exactly what I am doing. That warranty even covers FREON! For most parts, not linesets and such.

 

[Jchonline]

I’ve had every kind of system. Ductless mini-split is the most energy efficient, cheapest to install, quietest, and most comfortable, and you don’t have ducts and grates all over the house.

This is what we ended up with. Radiant floor and mini splits for AC and backup heat as needed.

 

[vybo]

Gas furnaces in Florida typically don’t break, like I mean close to never. Not enough use. I have installed every type, including condensing. Why I ever did that I have no idea (payback?)

ICP coils are way better than anyone else. I guess I should call them United technologies coils, since they are the parent company, ICP technically a subsidiary of Carrier. I have close to a thousand systems installed out there and especially since they changed to the all aluminum, have replaced only 3 coils. They are simply incredible, no other manufacturer comes close.

What problems could you possibly have with ICP? Always interesting to hear from another perspective

What a joke. they have as many or more failures than others. Stop already. In Florida, Carrier and ICP is the most prone to break down and failure, especially coils. ALL have coil issues as all coils are made in China and all brands have made them thinner to save a dollar and pass all repairs on to the consumer. You make me laugh.

 

[vybo]

Both of those motors are dependent upon a perfectly designed duct system. The amp draw on both goes up with high static pressure. Neither is more efficient. True variable is more expensive for the consumer so I avoid it.

The largest new construction companies here use Carrier (ICP). None use Trane. Most builders will reject bids with Trane and that’s been true for as long as I can remember.

I just replaced my pastors Trane coils…2019 install and they didn’t last 2 years. I tell them the next time they go out it’ll be time to get another air handler from ICP. Trane has never fixed their coil issue.

I can’t wait till they change the refrigerant again, sig

Commercial is so different than consumer. Consumer still rates Trane as the highest in reliability and satisfaction. The top three are Trane/American Standard, Carrier/Bryant, Rheem/Ruud. m

 

[vybo]

The X-13 vs Variable speed comment in a TSA position.

The 30 years "experience" between the two off Lennox brands as a homeowner that installed both systems in my own home. That's 30 years with a total of 6 issues (less the OD TXV which made me replace the system). Most expensive issue was the VS blower in the gas furnace in the attic. That motor was a pretty penny but that happened in like the 12th year LOL (system is still running fine, knock on wood, hope I don't jinks myself).

I've just been doing HVAC long enough to realize that there is no perfect system, and everyone hates some line (all of them if you know enough people) for some reason or another on the contracting side. I've also learned a long time ago that you never bad mouth a particular line because if you do this long enough, it may bite you in the butt.

Take your ICP your so fond of...

Which line do you install?

Airquest?
Arcoaire?
Comfortmaker?
Day and Night?
Maratherm?
Grandaire?
Heil?
Tempstar?
Keeprite?

Is one line better than the other? If you're charging X amount to replace a ICP unit, but another guy is less than your quote, does that mean his equipment is not as good or reliable using any ICP product?

Since your ICP OEM replacement compressors come from Carrier, and Carrier owns ICP, and interchanges what equipment is made under what roof, does that mean that Carrier is better than ICP? Is Carrier better than a Bryant or Payne unit? Is Bryant or Payne better than an ICP unit?

None of them are great, just good.