3-Point Hitch TC33 3 point hitch downward force

JerryG · Oct 25, 2004

The Belarus is the only tractor with a three point hitch that I personally know that has down pressure. There are older tractors that don't have three point, that do have down pressure.

Soundguy · Oct 25, 2004

Hmm.. that's odd. I've got email from 3 other tractor guys.. and one says he has a moline from the 50's with 3pt and down pressue.. the other claims up and down about the mf 165.. and another says that an IH from the 50's or 60's that had it.

The mf I was unsure of.. I did pass on your comments though. I don't know enough about the mini/mo to know if it's hitch was oem.

Soundguy

JerryG · Oct 25, 2004

The MM might be, I have never worked on them, but have never heard of it. The IHC did on their fast hitch tractors, if they did on any TPH tractors, I am not aware. The MF 165 defiantly did not. I have worked on them enough to know and did enough clutch jobs on them to be really familiar with them.

Soundguy · Oct 26, 2004

I've sent this info on, and am waiting to see if they send me some specific model info back. I have quite a few good resource books that I can dig specs out of, if they will get me some info on the MM and the IH..

Soundguy

JerryG · Oct 26, 2004

Good. I will be interested in what you find out.

cattrack · Oct 27, 2004

Have been lurking on this site for awhile. Thought I could add to this thread by letting some of you know that the early Case tractors had down pressure with their "Eagle Hitch" system. I believe it continued into the swing arm style lift with the early 430 thru 830 tractors. I think it went away when draft system came out on the Comfort King series tractors. No to say I am old or anything, but I used some of those old tractors when the paint was still fresh on them.

Have a great day & be safe!

rambler · Nov 1, 2004

( I've sent this info on, and am waiting to see if they send me some specific model info back. I have quite a few good resource books that I can dig specs out of, if they will get me some info on the MM and the IH..

Soundguy )

IH came out with their 2-point Fast hitch system in the mid/ late 50s or there abouts. These are operated by an external hyd cylinder, like my IHC 300 - which did not have an easy way to put a top link on. It has down pressure. After a year, IHC made provisions to easily convert this 2-point setup into a 3pt system, with a spot for the top link. I don't know if you would call this a 'real' 3pt system???? IHC used the Fast Hitch for quite a few years. It slowly evolved to look more like a 3pt, and at some point lost down pressure & became a 3pt....

I wonder if the others you have come across are conversions? Nearly any old tractor without a 3pt can have one added for about $600-1000. These use 1 or 2 remote hyd cylinders, and thus have down pressure.

Even an Eagle Hitch is not, truely, a 3pt system, as that upper arm is not in the same arc and so forth.....

I am not at all familiar with MM stuff, so do not know about that.

So, it depends how you want to classify 'original equipment'. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

--->Paul

Soundguy · Nov 1, 2004

( So, it depends how you want to classify 'original equipment'. )

While I wouldn't classify an aftermarket 3pt kit as oem, I would however classify a dealer or factory/manufacturer conversion kit as OEM. Therefore if kits were out via the dealer for a 2-3 pt conversion, using that external DA cylinder.. then I would have to saw that would 'count'.

I'm still waiting for info on the MM.

Here's another one. What about the powertrol on the JD... was that a mechanical powertrol? The PT stubs on my JD B are rigid.. as in the won't move up by hand, like most other tractors will. Course I havn't looked at an exploded diagram of the lift section either. If it is a gear driven lift, it may well have down pressure. This again would be a 2-point setup.. But I've seen lots of ealry JD's with toplink mounts that look like add-on's.. not sure about the source.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Nov 5, 2004

Ok.. here is some followup info. So far i have visually verified at least two ag tractors with 3pt downpressure, from the factory.

A NH 8670 has downpressure, as well as a case 2670. Both have oem 3pt hitches with downpressure. I went to a tractor auction this am and was testing out some of the smaller equipment when i looked at those two units. Obviously the case is an older model, and the 8670 must be a late 90's as it said both FORD and NH on it, like my ex-1997 NH 1920 did.

Soundguy