Surround Sound

   / Surround Sound #21  
Ah, yes. Salesmen and Monster, the two biggest headaches in shopping for consumer electronics.:D

It's positively amazing how cheap cables can be had for nowadays.
 
   / Surround Sound #22  
We have two HDMI cables... One was purchased when we got the TV and what I considered to be too much ($15ish for a 3' cable) and the other came with the new cable box (6' cable). They are HDMI cables, in addition there is a TOSLink in on the back of the Samsung and a TOSlink out on the cable box. The confusion came from the "Salesman" who clamiled that the HDMI cable was all that was needed to connect everything together.



Aaron Z

That would be true if your cable box has an hdmi out put as well as the optical. You're better off with the toslink anyway.
 
   / Surround Sound #23  
Ah, yes. Salesmen and Monster, the two biggest headaches in shopping for consumer electronics.:D
Ayep, my fault for not checking on this before buying the set... Should have done my homework first.

It's positively amazing how cheap cables can be had for nowadays.
Yes it is, if the other Walmart doesn't have any cables I am going to get a 3' one (because I don't have any need for a longer one) for $4 from Ebay.

Aaron Z
 
   / Surround Sound #24  
I've got the 720 version of that unit w/o the dvd player. All you need is the HDMI cable from the SAT to the Samsung, then HDMI to the television. Remote should have a button for input selection. Mine even recognizes and displays if its SAT or DVD input.



Rich
 
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#25  
I've got the 720 version of that unit w/o the dvd player. All you need is the HDMI cable from the SAT to the Samsung, then HDMI to the television. Remote should have a button for input selection. Mine even recognizes and displays if its SAT or DVD input. Rich

A ray of sunshine, I have one HDMI cable from my Dish box to the TV, and ordered another cable from Ebay on Friday, I know the set you have is not the same model as mine, but from the link that I provided above that doesn't work, I think that's all I need. Don't remember if I stated it before, but I'm trying to get SS for all the TV programming and not JUST when I'm playing a DVD.
 
   / Surround Sound #26  
I've got the 720 version of that unit w/o the dvd player. All you need is the HDMI cable from the SAT to the Samsung, then HDMI to the television. Remote should have a button for input selection. Mine even recognizes and displays if its SAT or DVD input.

I dont think that it will work for me, the one we have only has one HDMI port and that is HDMI out.

Aaron Z
 
   / Surround Sound #27  
Some random thoughts on all this:

Agree with comment on Monster cables and sales people.

There is not much on this planet more annoying than people arguing over the quality of their wire (analog signals only). If a $5K or greater audio system is in a "normal" room of a house, it's a waste. The acoustics of the room will be the limiting factor. Stuff I used to work with the rooms cost $100 to $500K to trim out. Think high end, high horse power tractor and a light weight, thin metal box blade. All parts of the system must be matched and balanced.

SPDIF vs. Toslink: they have the same signal on them. The signal is digital, so quality is not an issue. SPDIF is over copper, Toslink is optical. I have a Toslink (in) to SPDIF (out) box that I used when I was working in this area a decade ago for times when a device didn't have the Toslink. The win of Toslink is in great big systems where you have some hum. You can get rid of yet another ground connection.
SPDIF is a confusing term in the following regard: There is an encoding of the digital information which can deliver two stereo digital audio signals over a single wire (or optical fiber). Sometimes that encoding is indeed just two stereo channels, but, the same encoding is used for Digital Dolby (surround sound). This should make sense- the world was set up for digital audio and then the surround sound came along and had to "fit" in that space. So a "digital in/out", "SPDIF in/out", or "surround in/out" all all valid terms and it takes additional information about the system or even the program content and encoding to know what's actually there.

HDMI cables have multiple pairs of digital stuff. There are high speed digital lines that have the digital video and audio. There are lower speed digital lines where the source and destination discuss what they are and what their capabilities are. They also discuss if the connection should be allowed in an attempt to slow down piracy of movies and music. Most of the problems that were historically seen with HDMI were in these discussions between the connecting devices. This processes is how a 720P only display can talk to a video source so it could adjust it's picture resolution accordingly. When using a HDMI TV as a monitor on a PC, it's how the PC knows the maximum resolution of the screen.

Digital audio and HDMI are by and large unidirectional beast. When things get really confusing, force yourself to use the words "in" and "out" when describing things. So, "your SS digital in comes from the satellite digital out." The picture you have in your head now gets clearer.

Finally, a "here's how I did it" so that everyone can be confused. We have his and her satellite DVRs, and a 13 year old Dennon surround sound receiver. The HDMI out of the DVRs go to the TV, which has multiple HDMI inputs. The TV also has a digital output (Toslink in this case, but spdif would also work). I take this TV digital output to one of the digital inputs on the Dennon. I leave the Dennon set up on that input. I use the TV remote to select which DVR or off air I want to watch. The TV then takes the digital audio (be that stereo or surround) for whatever I'm watching and sends it to the Dennon (TV digital out to Dennon digital in). The Dennon, like most of these surround processors, has the ability to "look" at the bitstream on an input and decide if it's stereo audio or surround sound (dolby digital). It then does all the right stuff processing the audio and drives the speakers. In this way, I don't have to change the TV to a source and then also change the surround processor to that source.
If I have a DVD I want to play the DVD player audio and video out is connected to the surround processor analog in and then I do have to change the input on the surround processor. Some year when I get a new DVD player, I'll connect it's HDMI out to the TV's 3rd HDMI in and things get even simpler. There are also HDMI switches you can use if your TV doesn't have enough inputs.

I got all my cables on line (don't remember where). Like many tractor projects, doing it right is difficult when you're only supplier of materials are local sources and Wally world. So introduce a week of wait and shipping charges and you can get what you need to do it right. I actually have all the electronics in the basement except the TV and DVR because I hate looking at a pile of gear. I got a 35' HDMI and toslink to get to and from the TV. For long cables the key is to get cables with a big wire gauge, like a 22 gauge wire.
We also took the component out of the DVRs and ran them to the bedrooms, with the stereo audio on two pairs in a Cat-5 cable. Brought infrared back from Dinkly Link devices. This lets us use the DVRs in either the TV room or the bedroom. The component video part of that setup is 75' of RG-6 that was laid out on the floor and cut to the same length (3 runs). F connectors, the F to phono, works great.

I also see no reason why you can't use the surround sound processor/amp as the hub, just use the TV as a display, and have the surround receiver drive the speakers, but, the OP was wrestling with surround sound processor issues and this mode is what most manuals for systems will advise as a means of connection. So you leave your TV fixed and use the surround to select the source. My system is the other way, you leave the surround processor fixed and use the TV to select the source.

For what it's worth, the quality of the electronics in most surround systems these day makes any modern system in the $700 class better sounding that what was $3-5K a decade ago. If my Dennon died today, I'd get a good system. The digital side is all good, my main criteria would be the THD of the system and available IOs for connecting stuff.

Yeah, it's another long Pete Post...
 
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#28  
Well, I got my HDMI cable installed yesterday and the Dish and TV now play through the Samsung SS, but when I put a DVD in my other BlueRay player, the sound only came from the TV. I ordered the Optical cable to connect from the TV to the Samsung SS and hoping that will get me sound from the BlueRay player to the SS, got my fingers crossed. Now the wife wants me to hook it up so we can play from NetFlix through the computer to the TV, ordered more cables.:D:D Will it ever end?
 
   / Surround Sound #29  
You can also get many of the audio cables from Lowes. I assume HD has them as well. We needed an HDMI cable for XMAS and I just bought it at Lowes.

Later,
Dan
 
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#30  
Got the Optical cable hooked up, and all is working as long as I can remember which remote buttons to push, also got the RGB cable and stereo cable to hook the laptop to the TV, now I can watch all the Netflix movies that I want, recovering from knee surgery so that will come in handy.
 

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