Stick Shift in 2026?

/ Stick Shift in 2026? #81  
speaking of old cars am I the only one who miss the hood badges ? a few still have them but all out of my price range lol
Poor teens today, have less to vandalize!

Some of my middle school friends were habitual hood ornament theives, esp. Mercedes.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #82  
I'm still using my 2000 6 speed manual F350 powerstroke but everything else is now automatic, even my last motorcyle. It's a 7 speed dual clutch transmission.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #83  
Can't remember all of the manuals I have had over the years - ones I can:

70 Mazda R 100 4 sp
87 Honda Civic DX 5 sp
72 RX 2 4sp
70 MG 4 sp
68 Firebird 400 4sp Muncie
67 GTO 4 sp Muncie
69 Lemans 4 sp BW
70 Corona Mk 2 4 sp
73 TA 4 sp Muncie
03 RAM 3500 6 sp NV 5600
76 Cherokee 4 sp BW T18
70 Jeepster 4 sp BW T 18
70 F J 40 3 sp on the tree
78 Accord LX 5 sp
72 Duster 3 sp on the tree
64 GTO 4 sp Muncie
65 GTO 4 sp Muncie
99 Geo Metro 5 sp
76 CIVIC wagon 4 sp
84 RX 7 5 sp
74 Mercedes 240 D 4 sp
65 Mercedes 230 SL 4 sp
67 Ford F 250 T- 18
68 Wagoneer 3 sp on tree
77 Rabbit 4 sp
78 Rabbit 4 sp
68 J 30 Gladiator 4 sp T18
63 Corvair Spyder 4 sp Muncie


Only 2 manuals today, one RAM truck and one Pontiac car.
Looks like you're pretty tough on cars Mr. sd455dan!
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #84  
Looks like you're pretty tough on cars Mr. sd455dan!
I never wrecked or blew an engine in any of them. Enjoyed all of them. Painted and restified many of them. I have killed some rear axles and transmissions though, even broke a cluster gear on an M22 rock crusher.
Again those are only the manuals, the auto trans list is much longer.

Come to think of it, I have converted a few Manuals over to Auto's, but no auto to manuals over the years.

Made down payments / many house payments with some of them.

Getting old is tough on the knees/back/eyes etc. to do a lot of that work now... to be 20-40 again!

ps. watched some Barrett Jackson auctions the other day and it sure seemed the prices are down on some of the ones I had seen higher, Then again until you really look up close personally a lot of sins can slide by on a TV show.
 
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/ Stick Shift in 2026? #85  
What's everyone's thoughts on downshifting? Do you downshift through the gears when coming to a stop or turn, or do you brake until you shift into the next gear needed?
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #87  
What's everyone's thoughts on downshifting? Do you downshift through the gears when coming to a stop or turn, or do you brake until you shift into the next gear needed?
If I slow early, and it’s a situation where I might need to speed back up or I even have a long run-out at the lower speed, then I’ll downshift. But if it’s a quick short stop for a light or stop sign, then I usually just leave it in the gear I’m in, until the RPM’s drop to near 1000, then depress clutch and stop.

I used to downshift a lot more, until I replaced my first clutch on an old pickup truck. After that, I realized brakes are a heck of a lot easier to replace, than clutches. :ROFLMAO:
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #88  
I was curious, and research it and I should stop doing it... I thought as log as I rev match there wasn't any wear or at least very minimal but there is still synchro wear...

With more clarification I do what they call heel-toe with rev match down shift so in a perfect world there is very little wear but I have been doing it every where when in reality I shouldn't.... but what I have been doing when decelerating is brake, heel-toe rev match downshift, brake release utilizing engine brake and repeat... its just fun to do 🤷‍♂️
 
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/ Stick Shift in 2026? #89  
If I slow early, and it’s a situation where I might need to speed back up or I even have a long run-out at the lower speed, then I’ll downshift. But if it’s a quick short stop for a light or stop sign, then I usually just leave it in the gear I’m in, until the RPM’s drop to near 1000, then depress clutch and stop.

I used to downshift a lot more, until I replaced my first clutch on an old pickup truck. After that, I realized brakes are a heck of a lot easier to replace, than clutches. :ROFLMAO:
I used to downshift, but then came to your conclusion that brakes are cheaper and easier. lol
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #90  
What's everyone's thoughts on downshifting? Do you downshift through the gears when coming to a stop or turn, or do you brake until you shift into the next gear needed?
I don't downshift when coming to a stop unless I actually need it for engine braking, i.e., snow/ice. When coming to a stop at a light, I always let the car roll to as slow as is possible in whatever gear I'm in without the engine starting to lug, then clutch to neutral. I always go to neutral and leave it there when waiting for the light because I believe it saves wear on the throwout bearing. If I can see the light for cross traffic, I put it in first when their light is yellow so I can be ready to go. If I can't see it, I just take my best guess at when I think it will change.

By the way, this is why public works installing devices on traffic lights intended to prevent you from being able to see what the cross-traffic light is showing is a pet peeve of mine.

If I'm coming up to a stop sign, I always wait until I'm stopped to go to first. Several reasons for this. First, I learned to drive in cars with no synchro on first gear, so unless you wanted to trash first gear and hear a lot of noise, you had to. Second, for cars WITH synchro on first, I like to be as easy on the synchro as possible, so that means shifting when stopped. Third, in every manual I've ever driven, first gear synchro is not as strong as the synchro for other gears, so they can still crunch if you try to shift to first when going too fast and I don't want to feel or hear it or be hard on the car.

For turns, it just depends on how much I need to slow for the turn and how I am driving (performance-fun/normal). If I only need to slow a little and not trying to wring performance out of the car, I will leave it in the same gear and just ease out of the turn, lugging as little as necessary. If I can't leave it in high gear, I will just wing it and pick the best gear for the engine/road speed when coming out of the corner without slipping the clutch and just let the synchro do it's thing.

However, if I'm looking for performance, I will heel/toe and rev match the down shift (or use the electronic rev-matching feature on the fancy new car) so I can be ready to pull as hard as I need to in the lower gear coming out of the turn.

Just a note on saving the clutch as much as possible: When I am accelerating from a stop, I try to release the clutch pedal completely while using the minimum amount of throttle necessary to get the car rolling. In some cases (like starting off going down hill) that means NO throttle at all. I let the car start rolling, by gravity, THEN release the clutch quickly, with no slipping whatsoever. Starting off in any other condition is just whatever variation of that technique I can do with as little clutch slippage as possible.

Going up through the gears is just a continuation of that: accelerate, clutch, let revs match road speed for next gear, then shift/let clucth out completely with NO slippage. This takes practice to do smoothly, but will make your clutch last a long time.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #91  
I used to downshift a lot more, until I replaced my first clutch on an old pickup truck. After that, I realized brakes are a heck of a lot easier to replace, than clutches.

True dat.

I have always done all my own mechanical work, and that means a clutch on vehicles I owned a long time, or were older. That includes a 5sp Datsun 240Z and an '80 5sp Toyota 4x4 PU.

One car we owned was a 2nd gen (1990) Acura Integra 5sp, purchased new. Sold at 100K miles and still had original clutch. I did the timing belt once, and fully expected to replace the clutch.

It seems manual trannie modern-ish vehicles (say, 90 and up) seem to have much more durable clutches than before.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #92  
What's everyone's thoughts on downshifting? Do you downshift through the gears when coming to a stop or turn, or do you brake until you shift into the next gear needed?

Old trucks provide very little engine braking anyway. I don’t waste the effort down shifting in those. My ram exhaust brake actually works great which that truck is automatic anyway. That exhaust brake makes serious effort in slowing the truck and trailer down.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #93  
...heel-toe rev match downshift, brake release utilizing engine brake and repeat... its just fun to do 🤷‍♂️
Agreed! And with today's best automatic transmissions being so good, that's most of the reason for still driving manual! :ROFLMAO:

I always go to neutral and leave it there when waiting for the light because I believe it saves wear on the throwout bearing.
Not just that, but the pilot bearing, which can be even more susceptible on some cars (e.g. 1990's GM trucks). This is one of the things I really had to hammer into my 16-year old, as we're teaching him to drive on manual. He's always afraid he'll have trouble getting into gear when it's time to go, so he'll tend to put it into first and sit with his foot on the clutch, prior to a light turning green. I have to keep telling him to leave it in neutral with his foot off the clutch, until it's time to move.

It seems manual trannie modern-ish vehicles (say, 90 and up) seem to have much more durable clutches than before.
That's been my experience, as well. I had one clutch (1995 Chevy 1500) fail at just 6 years, and saw friends with similar vintage cars all losing theirs before 10 years. But our 2005 Volvo V50 T5 R-Design still has the original clutch, according to the current owner, and the damn car must have the better part of a half-million miles on it. I don't think I've replaced a clutch on any car I bought after maybe 2000, and we kept some of them as long as 200k miles and 12 years.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #94  
I don't downshift when coming to a stop unless I actually need it for engine braking, i.e., snow/ice. .
The CDL manual says not to engine brake on slick roads. The wheel brakes working on all the wheels is going to provided more traction than engine braking just the drive tires.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #95  
My wife didn't own a car for 15 years, when it was time to get her one she insisted on a manual. It was a Jeep Renegade, decent litt1e vehicle. I think it was a 1.7L turbo, pretty fun to drive. She wrecked it and ended up with a Rav4, that ended her manual days. She just couldn't find anything in the size she wanted in manual.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #96  
The CDL manual says not to engine brake on slick roads. The wheel brakes working on all the wheels is going to provided more traction than engine braking just the drive tires.
That makes sense and, as stated, I rarely do it, but what I meant was that there would have to be some compelling reason to gear down, I don't just do it for fun. It probably is more effective to distribute braking over all the tire patches, rather than just the front (front wheel drive car, in my example).

However, I also don't like riding the brakes, so if I'm going down hill (wet, dry, snow, whatever), and if I don't want my speed building up, I will either leave it in lower gear if there already, or down shift to a lower gear.
 
/ Stick Shift in 2026? #97  
I also don't like riding the brakes, so if I'm going down hill (wet, dry, snow, whatever), and if I don't want my speed building up, I will either leave it in lower gear if there already, or down shift to a lower gear.
Same, and this was one of the many things I hated most about automatics. I'll admit that the two automatics I drive today are both very good at engine braking, but I think most are still terrible at this. My wife's isn't as good as the two I drive, but still seems better than most we end up renting on travel, and hers actually gets better if you put it into Sport mode (silly for an SUV / living room on wheels).

One thing that will really make you think about your shifting habits in manual, is teaching a new driver. I had already tought many people to drive stick, but that was all 20 - 30 years ago. Now I'm teaching a new driver for the first time in decades, and all the usual questions come up, that make me have to re-evaluate and verbalize answers to these questions like downshifting and engine braking.

It's been a good mental exercise in memory, and chance to review my own habits, esp. since I sold my last manual daily driver in 2017.

We went from being an "all manual" household in 2016, to an "all automatic" household in 2020. We still prefer manual, really hate driving auto, but it's the only option in the platforms we're buying.
 

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