Somebody explain this.... CK20....

Brian_Stephens · Apr 30, 2004

U- Lift Capacity to Full Height @ Pivot Pins 1074 lbs
Y- Breakout Force @ Pivot Pin 1511 lbs
Approximate Weight /bucket 650 lbs

How much can I put in the bucket and lift.... If I add bucket forks that weigh say 70 pounds and have a working max of 2000 lbs what can I lift....

What I guess I'm trying to understand is the max lift with or without the bucket weight...

shoppintractors · Apr 30, 2004

Approximate Weight /bucket 650 lbs

This is the weight of the entire front end loader frame including the bucket.

 U- Lift Capacity to Full Height @ Pivot Pins 1074 lbs 
This is how much weight you can lift with 600 lbs. of ballast(counterweight) hanging off the 3 point hitch.

 How much can I put in the bucket and lift.... If I add bucket forks that weigh say 70 pounds 

1074 lbs. is "@ the Pivot pins"(with 700 lbs. of ballast on the 3 point). Looking at the New Holland specs(for comparison sake).....they lose 31% moving 19.7" forward, which would be near the front edge of the bucket. Using this formula, your looking in the neighborhood of 741 lbs. near the front edge of your bucket. Now add upto 36" in front of that for your pallet forks....

You'll also need to subtract the weight of the pallet forks and the weight of a toothbar (if applicable).

Y- Breakout Force @ Pivot Pin 1511 lbs 

This is the amount of weight you can curl in the bucket(measured @ the pivot pin), before the loader relief valve opens.

Theoretically, If you were to remove the bucket you should be able to lift 1074 lbs plus the weight of the bucket @ the pivot pins...as I see it. Your mileage may vary.

Don

Brian_Stephens · May 1, 2004

so with the BH on the tractor as ballast which weighs just shy of 900 lbs I should be good for the light duty forks max which is 800 pounds...and have a working weight of just shy of the 800 lbs... the forks weigh about 90 ls (although I may have to strenghen the bucket) if it has any issues...
I was more of less trying to ;
1) determine which forks to get
2) determine if they were going to be of any use which I think they will be...
3) determining what kind of weight the bucket will actaully take...

The first salesman ( the idiot) said 300 lbs which I really didn't believe....

shoppintractors · May 1, 2004

From a previous thread......what Kiotijohn felt about his pallet forks.

All things considered, forks, toothbar and approx. 410# for one metal drum of diesel I was lifting about 600 pounds, and may have been able to go a little more weight, but not much. John


Don

rback33 · May 3, 2004

Oh my..... Breakout force it NOT I repeat NOT how much you can roll back at the pivot pins. It has nothing to do with roll back. It is the amout of force/weight it is capable of moving from ground level, measured at the pivot pins. The lift cylinders are the only ones being used. This is a common misconception that hs gotten a lot of people stirred up because they don't think the loader does what it is supposed to, when in actuality they probably have no idea what the roll back capacity should be. It has not been until the last couple of years that roll back capacities have begun to pop up on spec sheets.

shoppintractors · May 3, 2004

Y- Breakout Force @ Pivot Pin 1511 lbs

This is the amount of weight you can curl in the bucket(measured @ the pivot pin.)
It is the amout of force/weight it is capable of moving from ground level, measured at the pivot pins. The lift cylinders are the only ones being used. 

According to information posted at Carver Equipment's web site both of our statements have some validity to them.

 Loader Breakaway or Breakout Force

"When using a loader -- it all starts at the front cutting edge of the bucket. The more power and force it has equals the more work you can expect to perform. The cutting edge on the bucket exerts a tremendous force as it lifts and pushes against the soil, rock, payload material you are handling. More breakway/breakout force is achieved with the combined power of the loader lift and bucket (crowd-dump-fill) cylinders. The combination of a tractor/loader's weight, hydraulic lift capacity, loader design, traction all are important ingredients to determine how much "breakout" force the equipment may develop."

Don

Woodbeef · May 3, 2004

Ok Brian,

Since you have 1074 lbs of lift capacity at the pins....you can lift x amount of weight after you subtract the weight of the forks. If you are attaching forks to the bucket you must figure in the weight of both implements.

Brian_Stephens · May 3, 2004

( Ok Brian,

Since you have 1074 lbs of lift capacity at the pins....you can lift x amount of weight after you subtract the weight of the forks. If you are attaching forks to the bucket you must figure in the weight of both implements. )

b - bucket
f - forks
b=650
f=90
x =1074 - b - f
x= 334 on the forks...

So you only able to lift 420 lbs in your FEL? seems sort light to me... Dads 855 (a smaller tractor) deals with 600 regularly without any issues...

these are bucket forks since Kioti doesn't make a QD setup for the bucket.... Something I'll have to make I guess....

shoppintractors · May 3, 2004

b=650 

The bucket only weighs approximately 150 Lbs. The 650 lbs is the entire front end loader assembly (including the arms and mounting framework.) These calculations start from where the loader bucket is mounted to the loader arms (hence @ the pivot pins.) The further out infront of the bucket you get the less you will be able to lift.

Don

Brian_Stephens · May 3, 2004

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These calculations start from where the loader bucket is mounted to the loader arms (hence @ the pivot pins.) The further out infront of the bucket you get the less you will be able to lift.

Don )

why? Leverage? Doesn't really matter the working load max I was looking for was 800 lbs and we should be pretty close. I just won't try and lift those 3500 lb skids out of the truck...