chucko
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I for one am not "againt" them I just don't care for them to be on.................................................. well on all the time
Some people should stay in town!
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PitbullMidwest
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( i personaly dont know why everyone is so against outside lights )</font>
Lights aren't a problem with me either, our property borders the N/S runway and the beacon spins 24/7/365 and the runway lights pop on as needed. I don't know a single working farm that doesn't protect their investment with security lights.
It's funny, no one likes to be told what they can and can't do on THEIR property but it sounds like many of us have a little bit of that neighbor in us too.
Lights aren't a problem with me either, our property borders the N/S runway and the beacon spins 24/7/365 and the runway lights pop on as needed. I don't know a single working farm that doesn't protect their investment with security lights.
It's funny, no one likes to be told what they can and can't do on THEIR property but it sounds like many of us have a little bit of that neighbor in us too.
PBMAX
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markct, Not trying to be smart here just want to answer your ??? <font color="blue"> "i personaly dont know why everyone is so against outside lights" </font>
Try going out and looking around and UP see what you can and can't see. Then Try it with out the lights.... Give your eyse a good 5 min to adjust I think you might be surpised at just how bright the night can be even twith out a moon...
For me it was being in the Navy and sitting on deck after dark. If you think the stars are bright in the country at night. Try midnight on the ocean 500 miles out with no moon or no moon to speak of. So to me I turn off evry light I can close to home to cut down on the washout effect of those darn HID lights.
Plus as many have said with motion detectors there really is no need to burn lights all night. So Why waste the energy?
Try going out and looking around and UP see what you can and can't see. Then Try it with out the lights.... Give your eyse a good 5 min to adjust I think you might be surpised at just how bright the night can be even twith out a moon...
For me it was being in the Navy and sitting on deck after dark. If you think the stars are bright in the country at night. Try midnight on the ocean 500 miles out with no moon or no moon to speak of. So to me I turn off evry light I can close to home to cut down on the washout effect of those darn HID lights.
Plus as many have said with motion detectors there really is no need to burn lights all night. So Why waste the energy?
Bob_Skurka
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<font color="red"> It's funny, no one likes to be told what they can and can't do on THEIR property but it sounds like many of us have a little bit of that neighbor in us too </font>
I suppose I would tend to disagree. You can do what you want on your land. I really don't mind. As long as it does not become a nusience to your neighbors on their land. So if you want to hunt, feel free, the occasional gunshot won't bother the average neighbor. If you want to target shoot and fire off a couple hundred round, again feel free. I'd appreciate it if you did it after 8am so I could sleep in. Want to plow the field, mow the lawn, or sit on your deck in the nude sensing all that nature has to offer . . . hey no complaints from me as long as it is all done in reason. If you want to burn a light all night, go ahead, but if your light is in close proximity to your neighbor so that the light glows in their windows all night every night, then it really makes me wonder if that light is a nusience, especially when the technology of motion sensor lights give you the same assurances, and actually alert you to movement too.
I suppose I would tend to disagree. You can do what you want on your land. I really don't mind. As long as it does not become a nusience to your neighbors on their land. So if you want to hunt, feel free, the occasional gunshot won't bother the average neighbor. If you want to target shoot and fire off a couple hundred round, again feel free. I'd appreciate it if you did it after 8am so I could sleep in. Want to plow the field, mow the lawn, or sit on your deck in the nude sensing all that nature has to offer . . . hey no complaints from me as long as it is all done in reason. If you want to burn a light all night, go ahead, but if your light is in close proximity to your neighbor so that the light glows in their windows all night every night, then it really makes me wonder if that light is a nusience, especially when the technology of motion sensor lights give you the same assurances, and actually alert you to movement too.
NoTrespassing
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We count ourselves very very lucky for having found the property we have. We basically have only one neighbor. We live on a dead end road and are surrounded by woods. The terrain is very rough for Illinois and there's almost no way that someone could build within 4 or 5 hundred feet of our property line. Besides the one neighbor who is about 600 feet from us, with woods and a pond between us, the nearest house is about 1/2 mile away through woods and deep ravines. If we look real hard we can see one yard light when the leaves are down.
The neighbors moved to their property about the same time we did, 4 years ago and I made sure to make friends with them right away. We visit each others house at least once a month and we're invited to their kids birthday parties etc.
I'd like to buy some of the property to my south which is leased as hunting land now to ensure our privacy in the future but I haven't checked it out yet. The 30' - 50' deep ravines are our best allies when it comes to keeping our distance though. It really isn't feasible to build near us.
All I can say about neighbors is kill em with kindness. Bake em some cookies, send a christmas card, offer to help whenever you can. Be so danged nice that they can't help but like you /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif It sure beats lawsuits! Thankfully we only have one neighbor to be that nice to!
Kevin
The neighbors moved to their property about the same time we did, 4 years ago and I made sure to make friends with them right away. We visit each others house at least once a month and we're invited to their kids birthday parties etc.
I'd like to buy some of the property to my south which is leased as hunting land now to ensure our privacy in the future but I haven't checked it out yet. The 30' - 50' deep ravines are our best allies when it comes to keeping our distance though. It really isn't feasible to build near us.
All I can say about neighbors is kill em with kindness. Bake em some cookies, send a christmas card, offer to help whenever you can. Be so danged nice that they can't help but like you /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif It sure beats lawsuits! Thankfully we only have one neighbor to be that nice to!
Kevin
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( and the runway lights pop on as needed.)</font>
Looky there!! Even the runway lights are on motion detectors. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I jokingly harassed my neighbor (good friend) last night about leaving his light on the past couple nights. After our few beverages in my building, he left. First thing he did was turn it off. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Looky there!! Even the runway lights are on motion detectors. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I jokingly harassed my neighbor (good friend) last night about leaving his light on the past couple nights. After our few beverages in my building, he left. First thing he did was turn it off. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
ByronBob
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I'm only 33 so I can't attest to wedded bliss for 40 years. I am also in my second marriage so I'm no prophecy either. I can see both sides of the argument easily enough and I can also see why people don't rush out to get married again. If you can occupy your time in other ways then good for you. I remember someone saying he who dies with the most toys wins. So go buy another tractor attachment right. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
PitbullMidwest
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I suppose I would tend to disagree )</font>
Morning Bob,
My observation was that the thread started with a neighbor complaining about Birdhunters nocternal harvesting and has turned 180 degrees to complaining about what we don't like about our neighbors (the "little bit of that neighbor in us too" comment).
Nusiences are just that, a nusience. What we find to be acceptable may be totally unacceptable to our neighbor and visa versa. There was a law suit in California several years back where city-country folks felt that having to look at full utters on dairy cows was unacceptable. They sued under local nusience laws to require that the cows be "skirted" so that their kids wouldn't have to look at those utters. Needless to say they lost. If we expect our neighbors to put up with the nusience of gunshots, we should be able to put up with their night light.
Gary in Indiana expressed it well with his neighbor's driveway lights. He expressed his opinion when asked for it, offered alternatives, stated he would rather they not burn all night but resigned himself to the fact that it was his neighbor's property and they could do as they pleased and he would have to live with it.
Morning Bob,
My observation was that the thread started with a neighbor complaining about Birdhunters nocternal harvesting and has turned 180 degrees to complaining about what we don't like about our neighbors (the "little bit of that neighbor in us too" comment).
Nusiences are just that, a nusience. What we find to be acceptable may be totally unacceptable to our neighbor and visa versa. There was a law suit in California several years back where city-country folks felt that having to look at full utters on dairy cows was unacceptable. They sued under local nusience laws to require that the cows be "skirted" so that their kids wouldn't have to look at those utters. Needless to say they lost. If we expect our neighbors to put up with the nusience of gunshots, we should be able to put up with their night light.
Gary in Indiana expressed it well with his neighbor's driveway lights. He expressed his opinion when asked for it, offered alternatives, stated he would rather they not burn all night but resigned himself to the fact that it was his neighbor's property and they could do as they pleased and he would have to live with it.
Freds
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The way this thread turned to lights had me looking last night. Every single house or barn except the one across the street from me that I already mentioned, the one that lights his area with decorative lights, has an area light up and down my road. The dusk to dawn type. None of them are so bright that you can't look at them, not like a halogen and none of them are "on top" of their owner's house or their neighbor's house. They are only lighting what people want lighted, not like the neighborhood glows from them.
The stars the past few nights have been phenominal, so I really don't understand the members that are saying area lights ruin the view, but I guess that depends on if you need to look through the lights to see the sky. You don't in my area, but if you lived in a country subdivision like the ones springing up, then maybe they would.
On another note, I have motion lights on my business and every time a sensor goes bad I'm forever trying to get it dialed in again so it works when it's supposed to and goes off when it's supposed to. I'm doing that right now to one of them and think it must be the blowing leaves or something causing it to go on and off at odd times at night. I didn't want my whole area lit up and that is why I didn't go with the dusk to dawn on my business, but I've yet to see a motion sensor light work perfectly...
To each his own on this one. I'd rather go outside at night and have the light already on rather than me trying to catch a sensor just right and then have the light go off again before I'm ready.
The stars the past few nights have been phenominal, so I really don't understand the members that are saying area lights ruin the view, but I guess that depends on if you need to look through the lights to see the sky. You don't in my area, but if you lived in a country subdivision like the ones springing up, then maybe they would.
On another note, I have motion lights on my business and every time a sensor goes bad I'm forever trying to get it dialed in again so it works when it's supposed to and goes off when it's supposed to. I'm doing that right now to one of them and think it must be the blowing leaves or something causing it to go on and off at odd times at night. I didn't want my whole area lit up and that is why I didn't go with the dusk to dawn on my business, but I've yet to see a motion sensor light work perfectly...
To each his own on this one. I'd rather go outside at night and have the light already on rather than me trying to catch a sensor just right and then have the light go off again before I'm ready.
moeh1
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I am a transplant as well. The only difference between city and country is that less people can see what you are up to in the country, so the odds of one of them blowing you in are lower. Still is unfortunate when you end up having one to deal with, mine was in the city and I left him behind. I ended up with a photo-activated 35watt sodium fixture on the side of the barn. I knew they existed, but it did take a bit of searching to find one. Not obnoxiously bright, but it lights the way from the barn to the house. My neighbor was jealous, not upset. I have a 250 watt overhead one when I need alot of light. Good luck with the neighbors! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif