Solar Farm #2, dangers involved.

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The American Lung Association released a new report explaining how if drivers stop using conventional air-polluting vehicles and the U.S. cleans up its power grid, 89,000 lives and nearly $1 trillion in health costs could be saved by the middle of the century, as reported by Grist.

At what cost to you as a taxpayer. Remember, it's the 'trickle down effect' and you are at the bottom.

 

[Roric]

I got my basics down in tech college in electronics, got a job installing/maintaining production equipment in the newspaper industry, worked with an electrician for a couple years and spent a good amount of time with him doing hands-on work under his supervision. I did learn to program programmable controllers on my own, but had a basic knowledge of ladder diagrams and logic from tech college. I had to learn basic computer skills to shut down the computers to repair/maintain the drive motors, showed them that I was comfortable with that equipment and from there was given the opportunity to move into IT. While I did learn a lot on my own, I also took the educational benefit my employer offered and went to school for training in operating systems, network, database, installation, design and operation, etc. I also spent a good deal of time at factory training facilities on the east and west coasts for our near continuous upgrading of production equipment.

Schooling is important. Learning from someone on the job is important. In a mission critical 24/7/365 operation, I'd be hesitant to let someone learn on their own through experimentation on live systems or processes. Been there, done that, cleaned up the mess. They had really good intentions, but did not understand the ramifications or scope of their actions should it fail.

I second the above statement about learning on the job. The Journeyman/Master/ apprentice relationship (established largely in union training) is the most effective training in a skilled labor career that matters. As a retired electrician, I can attest to the value of hands-on learning under a journeyman. Theory is needed but actually turning wrenches, turning wirenuts, layout of a jobsite is best learned from someone that has done it before.

On the "domestic content" solar note:
I installed a 7.5kw array on my home 3 and a half years ago.
The Mission Solar panels were manufactured in Texas.
The inverter and d.c. optimizers were from a company in Israel.
The Sq.D disconnects were from a formerly American company, now French.
The Seimens, (Gould, ITE) circuit breakers are from what too, used to be U.S. are but are now German, I believe.
The conductors, solar panel supports, junction boxes, conduit, and every item in this install was purchased with "built here" in mind.

This CAN be done. All of the gnashing of teeth over the "gubment's dang energy policies" is largely (and frighteningly) reminiscent of the Japenese cars coming to the USA in the 1970's. People were smashing cars with sledgehammers.
And in the 1990's when 'Tram-Law' stores were growing in number people were able to buy more imported goods for less. And they do. Price seems to be the prime directive.

To support American workers, do due diligence on where the products come from.

I understand the appeal of the inexpensive. (In fact my bride calls me " the only thing getting cheaper nowdays").


regards to you Moss,


R

 

[bnold]

About 250 construction workers gathered at the morning 600am safety meeting when I drove by the new solar farm going in about 5 miles from my property this am. They are finally setting panels. Ought to go really quick now, appears the new substation is nearing completion as well.

 

[riptides]

I second the above statement about learning on the job. The Journeyman/Master/ apprentice relationship (established largely in union training) is the most effective training in a skilled labor career that matters. As a retired electrician, I can attest to the value of hands-on learning under a journeyman. Theory is needed but actually turning wrenches, turning wirenuts, layout of a jobsite is best learned from someone that has done it before.

On the "domestic content" solar note:
I installed a 7.5kw array on my home 3 and a half years ago.
The Mission Solar panels were manufactured in Texas.
The inverter and d.c. optimizers were from a company in Israel.
The Sq.D disconnects were from a formerly American company, now French.
The Seimens, (Gould, ITE) circuit breakers are from what too, used to be U.S. are but are now German, I believe.
The conductors, solar panel supports, junction boxes, conduit, and every item in this install was purchased with "built here" in mind.

This CAN be done. All of the gnashing of teeth over the "gubment's dang energy policies" is largely (and frighteningly) reminiscent of the Japenese cars coming to the USA in the 1970's. People were smashing cars with sledgehammers.
And in the 1990's when 'Tram-Law' stores were growing in number people were able to buy more imported goods for less. And they do. Price seems to be the prime directive.

To support American workers, do due diligence on where the products come from.

I understand the appeal of the inexpensive. (In fact my bride calls me " the only thing getting cheaper nowdays").


regards to you Moss,


R

Smart post.

Funny the same negative attitudes are not shared about cell phones, computers and chips in general.

In those technologies some American firms have become immensely if not grossly profitable.

 

[riptides]

About 250 construction workers gathered at the morning 600am safety meeting when I drove by the new solar farm going in about 5 miles from my property this am. They are finally setting panels. Ought to go really quick now, appears the new substation is nearing completion as well.

Are they using existing power lines or did they build new ones to provide services?

 

[RidgeTopWVA]

It is hard to believe that water vapor coming from a cooling tower does not freeze during cold weather resulting in frozen precipitation be it either snow or sleet.

However it is unlikely that such contribution to frozen precipitation is significant or evn measurable with respect to the water vapor in the atmospere from other sources.

You are correct it does freeze .

 

[riptides]

U.S. Customs solar exclusions may be “de facto ban on Chinese polysilicon”

Longi solar modules made of Tongwei polysilicon have been excluded from entry to the U.S.

pv-magazine-usa.com

 

[RidgeTopWVA]

And I am aware a diesel tractor is a large contributor.


R

Are you buying carbon offsets for the diesel tractor ?

 

[Hay Dude]

The American Lung Association released a new report explaining how if drivers stop using conventional air-polluting vehicles and the U.S. cleans up its power grid, 89,000 lives and nearly $1 trillion in health costs could be saved by the middle of the century, as reported by Grist.

Please entertain us with your plan as to how about 100 million Americans stop using “conventional air-polluting vehicles”.
Should we get rid of all of them right now? Or can we have until the end of the year? Would Klaus Schwab be the one nhanding out vouchers to buy evs for everyone? What about trucks shipping all the goods we need?
How many people die if their cars are taken away? Motor vehicles save lives too.

”Cleans-up it’s’ power grid”? Like how? We have cleaned up both automobile exhaust and our power grid substantially, but we can’t just shut off NG & Nuke plants since solar doesn’t work in the dark or on cloudy days and wind doesn’t work on days without wind.

Keep it real and we can take your seriously.

 

[Roric]

The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step...

When automobiles first came to be, replacing horses and buggies was not envisioned. That vision would have been unimaginable at the time.

So maybe you create the next wave of energy jobs. Since August of 2022, 46 new clean energy manufacturing facilities have been announced. These are US clean energy jobs.
The manufacture and sales of EV's has skyrocketed. These are US clean energy jobs.
True advances in the development of Small Modular Reactors (nuclear) have been made, with deployment ahead. These will be US clean energy jobs.
The viability and use of EV batteries as an EV-to-home and EV-to grid is just starting.

The American Lung Assn. report I posted a link to said that in 27 years tens of thousands of people will die if things stay the same as they are today.
If you have ever seen an asthma sufferer come close, you know what it costs a person.
I will probably not be around by then but if the journey can be started now, any lives saved would not be wasted effort.

Someone once said: "what you do for the least of these, you do for me".

regards,

R