Smallest Kioti for sqaure baling?

jwcinpk · Aug 7, 2003

I'm leaning real heavy toward a Kioti tractor and I just wondered what's the smallest one you'd feel comfortable sqaure baling with? No hay wagon, just the baler. Definately gonna be a 4wd. Most all land is flat or slightly rolling with a few steep places. I am currently doing all my hay work with a 1975 Massey Ferguson 135. DK 40 or DK 45?

slowrev · Aug 7, 2003

definately a DK. 40 will probably be ok. What baler will you be using and what is it's PTO requirements ?

daedong · Aug 8, 2003

Hi

I have baled hay with a Ford Super Dexta, i think for memory they were 45hp. I have also baled hay with many other much bigger tractors. This experience has showed me the bigger the HP the better the bale makeing. With the smaller tractor sometimes you get a fluctuation in engine RPM and many balers under these conditions the knoters start to not tie properly.

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

We have run our JD kicker with a Farmall A. As long as the baler has a flywheel, it will overcome the horsepower deficiency. Remember, the plunger arm will rock the tractor back and forth, so you will feel it.

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

Hey Mate:

Isn't Super Dextra in the States a transmission oil?

jwcinpk · Aug 8, 2003

The baler I am currently using is a IH McCormick model 46. We have discussed buying one a lot newer and more reliable so I can buy a used baler that will fit the tractor later.

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

We have a well used 334 JD. I think it's ran about 500,000 bales. We took the hydraulic kicker off because it's so dangerous. As long as you keep the knotters clean and oiled and a machine greased, they run a long time. Basically what screws up a kicker bailer is the bushings that are in the needles and knotter wear out and the slop will cause a mis-tie. The factory bushings are steel. I have machined new bushings and inserted a bronze bearing. They last much longer that way.
I don't know much about Kioti's, except that they are orange, like Kubota. I would get a minium of 40 pto horsepower, however. At least then when the hay gets "tough" you won't work the tractor real hard. Another thing, you will need at least 40 pto horses if in the future, you decide to round bale.

jwcinpk · Aug 8, 2003

You really think 40 pto hp will round roll? I looked at some specs on those small round rollers and they say 35 pto hp, but I have a hard time believing that. I may want to round roll in the future so that's a real consideration.

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

Yep.

I used to do it with a 3710 Kubota. That is 32 pto. I upgraded to a 5030. The HSTC is 42.5 pto. Enjoy the pictures.

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

Here is another. The tractor is not really working hard. The ac is great!! This picture is worth a thousand words. Needless to say, I am not getting covered with chaff and the stereo is great. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

It takes quite a bit less power to square bale than to round. The square baler has a flywheel and the inertia of that flywheel carries the bailer through it's cycle. A round bailer, however, has no flywheel. As the bale nears full size and weight, it takes more and more power to roll it within the bale chamber.

JohnMiller3 · Aug 8, 2003

Re: Smallest Kioti for square baling?

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Hesston 730 Round Baler requires a minimum 30 PTO hp tractor.

I had seen this hooked up to an Agco ST45 Compact Tractor at Empire Farm Days…
(I'll try to post some pictures later)

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

Re: Smallest Kioti for square baling?

John:

Looks like my 645 NH in the previous picture. Except it's not dirty. Here is a "clean" picture

They mean "minimum 30 pto hp." It takes every bit of that to roll a maximum weight and diameter bale.

5030 · Aug 8, 2003

I answered the mis-tie in a later post. The rpm fluctuation causes the needles to fluctuate all the more, especially if they are worn.

JohnMiller3 · Aug 8, 2003

Re: Smallest Kioti for square baling?

Well, is NH made by Hesston or is Hesston a NH... or is everything in the world becoming homogenized to be the "same"... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

5030 · Aug 9, 2003

Re: Smallest Kioti for square baling?

John:

Manufacturing in this country has become multinational . I may need correction on this but I think NH is Fiat. I wonder if Ford still has a part of it or a part of Fiat as I can "A" plan NH equipment. I think that hesston is AGCO. Tractors and implements are getting like mouthwash, they all come out the same spout and have different labels put on them!!!