Sleep apnea, CPAPs and other sleep health solutions.

[kenmbz]

You can find bad stuff about anything, just look long enough and you'll find people complaining about heaven.

 

[EarPlug]

Google finds way too many rabbit holes.

I just read this end to end and it sounds like sleep apnea hell. At this point I don't know to make of his story.

sleep apnea aw sp | Snoring Advice

This is a typical BS article to get you to buy some quack cure.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This is a typical BS article to get you to buy some quack cure.

Interesting.

The effect of playing a wind instrument or singing on risk of sleep apnea: a systematic review and meta-analysis

To systematically survey the scientific literature concerning the effect of playing a wind instrument or singing on sleep, snoring, and/or obstructive sleep apnea.The PubMed, EMBASE, and Cochrane databases were searched up to December 2019. Observational ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ponytug]

The trouble with meta analyses is that they are an average of a many smaller studies, a number of which may have statistical issues, clinical study design issues, or an inability of the authors to draw factual conclusions form their data. Tread carefully would be my advice... In the example above, there are a number of issues; it was three dentists doing the statistical analyses on six other studies, and the statistical power of their analysis was...wait for it..."The magnitude of the effect was zero to small". (I.e. not statistically significant)

Personally, if you snore and you have any trouble staying asleep or awake, you should see a doctor and see if you can get some improvement. I know many folks who have had improvement just by changing from back to side sleeping (it is cheap!), and many others for whom CPAP machines of one sort or another help. My view is why go through life impaired if you don't have to?

Thanks for starting the thread @Gale Hawkins! I learned a bunch.

All the best,

Peter

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The trouble with meta analyses is that they are an average of a many smaller studies, a number of which may have statistical issues, clinical study design issues, or an inability of the authors to draw factual conclusions form their data. Tread carefully would be my advice... In the example above, there are a number of issues; it was three dentists doing the statistical analyses on six other studies, and the statistical power of their analysis was...wait for it..."The magnitude of the effect was zero to small". (I.e. not statistically significant)

Personally, if you snore and you have any trouble staying asleep or awake, you should see a doctor and see if you can get some improvement. I know many folks who have had improvement just by changing from back to side sleeping (it is cheap!), and many others for whom CPAP machines of one sort or another help. My view is why go through life impaired if you don't have to?

Thanks for starting the thread @Gale Hawkins! I learned a bunch.

All the best,

Peter

You are welcome.

One of the used CPAP machines I bought about 15 years ago came from a guy and I asked him why he was selling it if it was a good machine he said he had lost a large amount of weight and no longer needed it. So there's many fiscal things that can help with sleep apnea in some cases it seems.

My father died at the age of 72 with congestive heart failure enlarged heart and dementia. 5 years later my mother died at age 72 from breast cancer but one thing that I now wonder about was if all the years that she stayed awake to try to wake him up when he stopped breathing didn't negative impact her health.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

This is like my new CPAP machine.

 

[lman]

I saw this a couple weeks ago and found it interesting. I don't use any machines to sleep but do snore in certain sleeping positions according to my wife.

 

[RalphVa]

I finally ditched my CPAP about 4 years or so ago after about that number of years of having used it. Did weekly flushing of it with vinegar to destroy algae, etc.

Think this is one of the most missused and expensive health care things dreamed up in a long time.

 

[kenmbz]

While I needed CPAP, and it was easy to prove I needed it.
I am sure that any time a multi-thousand dollar transaction through third parties happens in the medical field, a lot of people will suffer.
Snake Oil is still for sale if you look.
I must know personally about 5 people that use CPAP. Who knows how many more people I know who have one. So it's not a small market.
The philips recall was for millions of devices.

 

[not2old]

I used to snore so loud that on a dirt-biking trip to Baja all the other guys went to sleep outside and told me I wasn't allowed to leave the bus/camper. I have severe sleep apnea and have used a Resmed 10 for about five years. Testing showed I stopped breathing for thirty seconds or more about fifty times an hour. The problem I have with using the Cpap is that I ingest a lot of air. The pressure is set at a compromise between fewer events and even more swallowed air. I am going to investigate using a dental device, possibly in conjunction with the Cpap. Haven't been able to find any information on doing this but the therapist I recently saw thinks the theory is sound. Anyone have experience with this?