Should I wait & 4 in 1 bucket

   / Should I wait & 4 in 1 bucket #1  

crowlej

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Valley Cottage, NY
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John Deere 2320
Until the news of the 4 10 series I was all ready to buy a 4300 HST with 430 FEL, 48 Backhoe, and a few other smaller Items... seeing all of the problems with the first 4000 series a few years ago I'm not sure I want to be a tester for JD so I'm thinking of going with the 4300. Any comments on my thoughts?

Anybody have experience with JD's 4 in 1 Bucket? I'm planning on clearing fields w/brush and it appears this would be a very useful addition!
Pricing?

I'm new at this so any imput would be appreciated!
 
   / Should I wait & 4 in 1 bucket #2  
My experience with my JD4300 has been nothing short of perfect. Zero problems. I read that the 4 n 1 bucket is pretty heavy and takes a lot of ballast on the rear to hold it down. But plenty of hyd on the loader to handle it, especially if it is the JD. If I had it to do over, I would get the 4400 with the extra HP, on the same frame. Lots of the changes needed to improve them have apparently been added to the production line of the late 4300's, but mine is an earlier one. I may trade up to a 4410 - after I see one and drive one. No rush.
 
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#3  
Thanks for the reply... the 48 Backhoe should provide the balast you mention to offset the addl weight of the 4 in 1. Any experience with the 4 in 1?
 
   / Should I wait & 4 in 1 bucket #4  
crowlej,

I have an JD4700, JD 48 and a JD 460 with a JD 4n1 bucket.

The 4n1 is a must have as far as I'm concerned. The FEL is an amazing tool all by itself but add a 4n1 and it just gets better. I'm using the tractor to clear land for house sites, trails, pasture, etc. With the 4n1 if I need to grab a downed tree. I can. Pick up a cut log. I can. Pull up small stumps. I can. CUT branches that are in the way. I can. Push timber slash and protect a greater part of the front of the tractor. I can.
Pick up a pile of wood. I can. Pick up a pile of cut saplings. I can.

For what I do, the 4n1 is invaluable. I had a problem with the FEL setup when I bought the tractor. This did two things. Put a ding in the front edge of my 4n1 bucket and eventually caused me to cut the hydro line controling the open/close function on the bucket. The ding was no big deal but I have over 230 hours on the tractor with a great deal of that time using the FEL, backhoe, boxblade and mower. In that order. The ONLY ding I have on the bucket from all this use is the one we put on during the tractor delivery. Its one tough bucket. I cut the hydro line a day or two after the tractor was delivered due to a bad setup. In those few hours I already was hooked on the 4n1. I could open or close the 4n1 but I would loose hydraulic fluid and since it was spraying at high PSI I just left the bucket in one position. NOT being able to open or close the bucket really was painfull. Even after a few hours I just did not realize how much I depended on the 4n1.

The only "damage" I have done to the 4n1 is when a log gets into the bucket and causes the sides of the bucket to bend. There are two "teeth" on each side of the bucket and they get bent sometimes as well. Either the bent teeth or the bent side will prevent the bucket from closing fully. The fix? Get out a sledge...... I said it was tough.... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

How heavy is my bucket? I don't know. I did not worry about it with the 4700 and a 460 FEL. I figured I had the oomph to handle the heavier equipment and I do. I picket up a 22 inch pine log still attached to its stump the other day. I moved it a bit but when when I saw how much the front tires where bulging I put the wood down so I could just roll it with the FEL instead of picking it up. Took a lot long but my tires thanked me for it....

However, with a smaller tractor and FEL I would see how much more the 4n1 weighs.

I have busted a bolt on the JD 48. No big deal. And I have a leaky female quick disconnect on the Power Beyond Kit. The leak only happens when the JD 48 is hooked up. The dealer gave me a new disconnect but I have not replaced it as of yet since I'm not using the JD48 at the moment. Other than that the tractor has done far more than I dreamed that it possibly could.

I just got an email from the JD area representative checking up on a issue I brought to JD's attention a few weeks ago. The MX-6 I have has a slip clutch. The manual did not have the procedure to maintain the clutch. I asked JD about this and within a week or so I had a new insert for the manual explaining the procedure. The representative was asking if everything was ok.

So far, JD and tractor/equipment has more than exceeded my expectations. I wish I could get service from a car dealer like I do from my JD dealershp and JD.

What kind of brush do you have? How thick are the saplings? How many acres?

Hope this helps...
Dan McCarty
 
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Thanks for the reply... glad to hear you are so happy with the 4in1! I have about 75 acres upstate NY which is about 175 miles from where I live. I will be trailering it back and forth to use it in both places so size/weight is important (that's why the 4300! The land is somwhat overgrown with lots of 1-2" saplings and all kinds of brush that have grown up around apple trees and christmas trees so I have a lot of cleaning up to do (25 acres)... the rest is woods with logging trails throughout. The access road to my place is shared by 3 other landowners and we maintain the road so I have lots of uses for the tractor... a FEL and Backhoe are a must and the 4in1 sounds manditory! How much did it cost you?
Thanks again for your reply... happy tractoring!
 
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Crowlej,

I don't have a break down on the cost of just the 4n1 bucket. The 460 FEL and the 4n1 was around $3,700.

I don't have much experience using the tractor to push over and then mow over saplings. Other people are doing this but the saplings that I had where I COULD have used a tractor and rotary cutter I cut down with a brush cutter and chain saw. And I needed to cut down those sapling before I had a tractor so I really did not have much choice. From the few saplings I have chewed up with the MX6, the brush cutter and chain saw does a prettier job. Its just more time consuming and much more work.

If you are going to be cleaning up trails that has lots of timber I have found the best thing to do is to walk the trail/ground to be cleared with a chainsaw and cut things up into 4-8 foot long pieces. If you don't when you start pushing things around with the tractor you end up with long connected piles of wood. Its not easy to pickup and leaving it is a fire hazard. The 4n1 will easily pickup 4-8 foot long trunks and piles of slash. I have seen buckets with brush grabbers that would pickup more cut up wood easier and faster than a 4n1 but a 4n1 is just so darned useful doing other things. Sometimes I wish I had the bucket that has the hydraulic brush grabbers but I doubt it would be worth the time to switch between buckets. Not to mention the money it cost to have to bucket setups. Your questions had me thinking this weekend as I was working the tractor that the 4n1 is a very good compromise with a dedicated brush picker up bucket.

When clearing land/trails sometimes its nice to put the 4n1 in the dozer blade configuration. Sometimes its nice to have it as a plain on bucket. Other times you need to grab and pickup stuff. Those are three VERY usefull tools in one. The scraping part of the 4n1 I very seldom use but I do use it. All it takes is to change the bucket configuration is a wrist movement and maybe a thumb press. Very easy! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Are you sure that a 4300 will do the work you need to do? I can understand the size requirement for trailering but the 4300 is a small tractor and you have lots of land to maintain. My neighbor was mowing this weekend on his BX2200. He has a 4-5 acre lot and cuts an absent neighbor's road frontage as well as his own. He has roughly 1200 feet of flat road/driveway to cut. It must have taken him 2-3 hours to do the work. I can mow the 1600 feet of roadway I maintain in about an hour. But my roadway has some trees I have to mow around, ditches and inclines that force me to make the first pass in A range 2nd gear. Once away from the roadway edges I can put the tractor in 4th gear and move along. It takes me about three round trips to mow the 40 some odd feet of grassy roadway. I think my neighbor has to make three-four passes just on the grassy side of the road to get one side cut. He has a belly mower so I have a extra couple of feet of mowing coverage on the MX6. I have heard him hit rocks and it sounded real bad when he does. The MX6 hits a rock and while I don't like the sound I'm certainly not worried that the rock is going to break the mower or tractor. Time is money. The more I work on the tractor the more I realize the balance between time and money.

We own 53 acres. I have cleared one house site. I'm well into clearing 4 acres for pasture. Twas going to be a house site as well but the soil scientist just said it would cost $30,000 to put in a septic system. So it looks like I get to go clear another area that we were saving for the future. I have cleared the road which is a two lane 60 foot right of way ending in a culdesac that had been alowed to be over grown with trees. I have cleared some trails but not a lot. The property boundry is roughly 6,000 feet. I'll eventually clear at least a tractor wide area along the line for trail/fence/firebreaks.

The tractor has saved me at least $15,000 in 10 months. Actual tractor time is really only 8 months or so due to weather/work/sick days I could not work I have about 238 hours on the clock. By the time the tractor is two years old I think it will have paid for itself. I should have a few more decades of use to go at that point! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif I don't for one second doubt having spent as much money as I did on the 4700. I think its the right size for the most part. Sometimes I wish it was bigger/heavier but not often. I certainly have more horsepower then traction.

One of the TBN matras is to get a tractor that is a little bit bigger than you think you need. I think its a true mantra! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Later....
Dan McCarty
 
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Dan thanks again for the reply... very informative. The work I have to do I really don't have to do if you know what I mean. I might have misrepresented what was necessary and what was in the "if I could" catagory! I only mow about 2 acres around my camp and the roadside maybe twice a year and the dirt road is very low maintenance. The clearing of the brush part is no something I have to do but want to do and I represents about 5-6 acres of the total. So there is a lot I can do only some I must do and I think the 4300 will be perfect given the trailering requirements etc. I previously had a gas powered Oliver with a FEL weighed about 6700 lbs... alot bigger than the 4300 yet it had less horsepower and there were actually times when it was too big and/or too wide.
Anyway I'm sure of the 4300 with 48 backhoe, 430FEL, and now 4in1... I'm just not sure whether it will be a 4310 or 4300! Just have to wait and see what the changes are and are they important to me!

Thanks again, Jim
 

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