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Should all cities ban cell phones while driving?
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sounds to me like rich people can have drive/talk on cell phones but poor people can't afford a special car kit for handsfree service. )</font>
That's ridiculess... If they have paid the expense for a cell phone.. they can pay the expense for hands free.. or else they just don't use it.
Besides.. many new phones have handsfree 'built in' My new nokia 6030 has a loudspeaker function.. you set it on the dash.. etc, and can hear the other person.. and they can hear you. I got it for 19$ when i renewed my cingular plan. I also have an lg phone from altell.. same deal.. has speaker phone and a visor clip/belt clip... works fine... phone was free with my 1 year signup. ( this was the 'basic' free phone they gave out... )
So.. people don't have to have expensive phones or kits.. and as I pointed out.. even the el-cheapo phones can do it.
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That's ridiculess... If they have paid the expense for a cell phone.. they can pay the expense for hands free.. or else they just don't use it.
Besides.. many new phones have handsfree 'built in' My new nokia 6030 has a loudspeaker function.. you set it on the dash.. etc, and can hear the other person.. and they can hear you. I got it for 19$ when i renewed my cingular plan. I also have an lg phone from altell.. same deal.. has speaker phone and a visor clip/belt clip... works fine... phone was free with my 1 year signup. ( this was the 'basic' free phone they gave out... )
So.. people don't have to have expensive phones or kits.. and as I pointed out.. even the el-cheapo phones can do it.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( They still have to answer the phone which some of you have said is the most common time for an accident.
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At least since the early 90's.. auto answer has been an option for many ( most? ) cell phones. Every one i have ever owned has had the option.. including the big 'brick' motorola jobs that looke dlike military walkie talkies..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What difference does it make to a person who's talking on the phone and totally distracted to the point of not knowing what's going on around them )</font>
Talking while driving? What difference does it make if it is a passanger or an invisible 'handsfree' person a mile away... This is a 'ban on talking' thet is hiding in the shadows... I.E. a band on passangers. Maybee the radio next? huh?
If talking to another person over a radio signal were so bad and distracting.. i don't think astronauts.. or airline pilots should be allowed to do it either ?? right... i mean.. if the pilot ( driver ).. can wear a headset and constantly talk to the tower or another flight crew member while thousands of feet up.. going hundreds of miles per hour..carrying dozens and dozens of people... then... where do you make the cutoff?
Does talking to another person only distract while on the ground? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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At least since the early 90's.. auto answer has been an option for many ( most? ) cell phones. Every one i have ever owned has had the option.. including the big 'brick' motorola jobs that looke dlike military walkie talkies..
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What difference does it make to a person who's talking on the phone and totally distracted to the point of not knowing what's going on around them )</font>
Talking while driving? What difference does it make if it is a passanger or an invisible 'handsfree' person a mile away... This is a 'ban on talking' thet is hiding in the shadows... I.E. a band on passangers. Maybee the radio next? huh?
If talking to another person over a radio signal were so bad and distracting.. i don't think astronauts.. or airline pilots should be allowed to do it either ?? right... i mean.. if the pilot ( driver ).. can wear a headset and constantly talk to the tower or another flight crew member while thousands of feet up.. going hundreds of miles per hour..carrying dozens and dozens of people... then... where do you make the cutoff?
Does talking to another person only distract while on the ground? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ( What difference does it make to a person who's talking on the phone and totally distracted to the point of not knowing what's going on around them )</font>
Talking while driving? What difference does it make if it is a passanger or an invisible 'handsfree' person a mile away... This is a 'ban on talking' thet is hiding in the shadows... I.E. a band on passangers. Maybee the radio next? huh?
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Soundguy,
I'm sure you must recognize there is a huge difference betweent talking to a passenger and staying allert compared to those people on the phone who zone out to there surroundings. They have tunnel vission while talking on the phone without any knowledge of their speed or other vehicles around them.
It's a very common occurance that I find very difficult to understand why your defending.
If you're on the freeway and there is a car in front of you driveing well below the speed limit, it's almost guranteed the person is on the phone and oblivious to their surroundings. It doesn't matter if it's a hands free unit or hand held. They are engrossed in conversation and have passed over into that mindset with the actual driving now a secondary task.
I see this on a daily basis. It was true when I lived in Californa, and it's true here in Texas.
I've never seen it with two people carrying on a conversation in a car, listening to the radio, talking on a CB, eating or smoking. The only exceptions are the very old who just drive slow no matter what, and those who are trying to do other chores while driving. Things like put on makeup and read the newspaper.
Obviously it's not everyone and I'm also not endorsing another law be passed. Those people should be pulled over for impeding traffic. Use the laws we already have to address the problem.
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Talking while driving? What difference does it make if it is a passanger or an invisible 'handsfree' person a mile away... This is a 'ban on talking' thet is hiding in the shadows... I.E. a band on passangers. Maybee the radio next? huh?
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Soundguy,
I'm sure you must recognize there is a huge difference betweent talking to a passenger and staying allert compared to those people on the phone who zone out to there surroundings. They have tunnel vission while talking on the phone without any knowledge of their speed or other vehicles around them.
It's a very common occurance that I find very difficult to understand why your defending.
If you're on the freeway and there is a car in front of you driveing well below the speed limit, it's almost guranteed the person is on the phone and oblivious to their surroundings. It doesn't matter if it's a hands free unit or hand held. They are engrossed in conversation and have passed over into that mindset with the actual driving now a secondary task.
I see this on a daily basis. It was true when I lived in Californa, and it's true here in Texas.
I've never seen it with two people carrying on a conversation in a car, listening to the radio, talking on a CB, eating or smoking. The only exceptions are the very old who just drive slow no matter what, and those who are trying to do other chores while driving. Things like put on makeup and read the newspaper.
Obviously it's not everyone and I'm also not endorsing another law be passed. Those people should be pulled over for impeding traffic. Use the laws we already have to address the problem.
Eddie
flwiii
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I should rephrase the statement I made. Not all electronic things can track you. If it doesn't interact with a public network you should be safe; (IE tire gauges, alarm clocks etc.) That is as long as these precious devices haven't been tampered with.
Really though, OJ has probably found the killer. He sleeps with him every night.
The ability to evesdrop on conversation with a properly aimed laser now days makes it possible for "Big Brother" to listen to our conversations even within our cars, homes, businesses etc.
The only thing protecting us from all these techy toys is the fact that the judicial system (which is somewhat slow) has to approve the use of them on people within our borders.
<font color="blue">I'll wager the insurance companies would like to get their hands on all that very personal data. </font>
We never know, they may already have it. Just haven't figured a legal way to use it against us yet.
Really though, OJ has probably found the killer. He sleeps with him every night.
The ability to evesdrop on conversation with a properly aimed laser now days makes it possible for "Big Brother" to listen to our conversations even within our cars, homes, businesses etc.
The only thing protecting us from all these techy toys is the fact that the judicial system (which is somewhat slow) has to approve the use of them on people within our borders.
<font color="blue">I'll wager the insurance companies would like to get their hands on all that very personal data. </font>
We never know, they may already have it. Just haven't figured a legal way to use it against us yet.
flwiii
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I don't think SoundGuy is defending the "inept" cell phone users as much as he is worried that a new law could be abused by others to include more than the laws intent. Something on the order of letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. Loopholes happen because of people ignoring the spirit of the law and twisting the letter of the law.
A good example of law abuse is the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). After reading some of the absurd applications some have made with this law, I can understand SoundGuy's position.
I also think that SoundGuy is in agreement with you. We don't need another law. We need to, as you have said, enforce the ones we already have.
A good example of law abuse is the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). After reading some of the absurd applications some have made with this law, I can understand SoundGuy's position.
I also think that SoundGuy is in agreement with you. We don't need another law. We need to, as you have said, enforce the ones we already have.
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Euchre is a big game around southern Indiana. Whenever I play it's typical for the dealer to offer a cut, which I never do. It's not that I'm an oaverly trusting person, it's just that I don't think most people I play cards with are slick enough to pull off stacking the deck.
How is this relatable? I work for the government. I've seen the inner workings of 'Big Brother'. Big Brother is an idiot. Do not worry about him.
It is the slick dealers you need to worry about, and insurance companies are as slick as they come. Worry about private industry, they are profit motivated. Big Brother is highly unmotivated, as it's made up of millions of minions with no clear goal.
How is this relatable? I work for the government. I've seen the inner workings of 'Big Brother'. Big Brother is an idiot. Do not worry about him.
It is the slick dealers you need to worry about, and insurance companies are as slick as they come. Worry about private industry, they are profit motivated. Big Brother is highly unmotivated, as it's made up of millions of minions with no clear goal.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm sure you must recognize there is a huge difference betweent talking to a passenger and staying allert compared to those people on the phone )</font>
I guess I obviously don't see a huge difference to talking to someone on a handsfree cell phone vs talking to a passanger.. or i wouldn't be arguing the point. IMHO... If I had a passanger.. i think i may be more inclined to make eye contact with him/her, and thus be -more- distracted while driving.. vs a hands free link.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I find very difficult to understand why your defending )</font>
Obviously I'm defending the point because i don't see a black / white distinction. I see the makings of a very bad law.. this is haow they begin.. very innocently.. and then get blanket application when it comes down to the brass tacks. I'm a gun owner.. I've seen laws ( for gun control ) work this way for a couple decades. I've learned you can never give a lawmaker an 'inch'.. as.. by the time it makes it thru both houses.. it will have been amended enough, and have enough junk tacked on to it to be a 'mile'.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I've never seen it with two people carrying on a conversation in a car, listening to the radio, talking on a CB, eating or smoking. )</font>
Actually.. the last 2 times I've bene run off the road, one was by a smoker ( woman ) and the other was buy a younger kid eating ( drinking coffee )... Have yet yo have been run off the road by a person talking to themselves ( handsfree ).
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The only exceptions are the very old who just drive slow no matter what )</font>
Alot of that here in florida. There are 3 retirment communities within a few hundred yards to a few thousand yards from my farm. one of them is 'the fastest growing development' int he united states as of 2005 #'s.. so yes.. 95% of the ime I'm driving there is someone in front of me with white haie and oversized big black sunglasses driving a 2007 yacht down the road, slower that the posted speed limit.
Then.. the smoker lady, and the kid drinking coffe run me off the road so they can get to work stocking shelves, waiting tables and washing dishes at the stores that serve that huge aging population that is driving in front of me... so uh.. yeah.. I can kinda relate to the driving situation...
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Use the laws we already have to address the problem.
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Same with gun laws... we don't need any more to control criminals.. we just need to prosecute with the laws we already have on the books.
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I guess I obviously don't see a huge difference to talking to someone on a handsfree cell phone vs talking to a passanger.. or i wouldn't be arguing the point. IMHO... If I had a passanger.. i think i may be more inclined to make eye contact with him/her, and thus be -more- distracted while driving.. vs a hands free link.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I find very difficult to understand why your defending )</font>
Obviously I'm defending the point because i don't see a black / white distinction. I see the makings of a very bad law.. this is haow they begin.. very innocently.. and then get blanket application when it comes down to the brass tacks. I'm a gun owner.. I've seen laws ( for gun control ) work this way for a couple decades. I've learned you can never give a lawmaker an 'inch'.. as.. by the time it makes it thru both houses.. it will have been amended enough, and have enough junk tacked on to it to be a 'mile'.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I've never seen it with two people carrying on a conversation in a car, listening to the radio, talking on a CB, eating or smoking. )</font>
Actually.. the last 2 times I've bene run off the road, one was by a smoker ( woman ) and the other was buy a younger kid eating ( drinking coffee )... Have yet yo have been run off the road by a person talking to themselves ( handsfree ).
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The only exceptions are the very old who just drive slow no matter what )</font>
Alot of that here in florida. There are 3 retirment communities within a few hundred yards to a few thousand yards from my farm. one of them is 'the fastest growing development' int he united states as of 2005 #'s.. so yes.. 95% of the ime I'm driving there is someone in front of me with white haie and oversized big black sunglasses driving a 2007 yacht down the road, slower that the posted speed limit.
Then.. the smoker lady, and the kid drinking coffe run me off the road so they can get to work stocking shelves, waiting tables and washing dishes at the stores that serve that huge aging population that is driving in front of me... so uh.. yeah.. I can kinda relate to the driving situation...
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Use the laws we already have to address the problem.
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Same with gun laws... we don't need any more to control criminals.. we just need to prosecute with the laws we already have on the books.
Soundguy
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue">I'll wager the insurance companies would like to get their hands on all that very personal data. </font>
We never know, they may already have it. Just haven't figured a legal way to use it against us yet. )</font>
I wouldnt rely to heavily on that data not being available or used.. Todays vehicles have the capability of recording exactly what happened durring an accident.. They can monitor throttle position, rate of accel, brake peddal possition, rate of decel, evasive manuvers, and even indicate weather conditions from the barometric calculations.. The insurance industry can surely tap into this info and use it against someone for falsifying a claim.. And, I ask, whats so wrong with that? It proves honesty.. If its abused on the other hand, technology can be counter productive and negative, but, if things like this make my insurance rates go down because some Joe isnt able to cheat the insurance agency, then go for it.. I dont intend to get caught doing something wrong, so why do I care? It seems to me that the people most nervous of technology are the ones trying to get away with something... I'm not really implying anything against anyone here, just dont understand the adamance of how making it illeagal for someone to use a cel phone w/o a hands free unit while driving can negativly effect any of our lives?? Again, the point was never to ban all cell phone use while driving.. The article clearly states the contrary.. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
We never know, they may already have it. Just haven't figured a legal way to use it against us yet. )</font>
I wouldnt rely to heavily on that data not being available or used.. Todays vehicles have the capability of recording exactly what happened durring an accident.. They can monitor throttle position, rate of accel, brake peddal possition, rate of decel, evasive manuvers, and even indicate weather conditions from the barometric calculations.. The insurance industry can surely tap into this info and use it against someone for falsifying a claim.. And, I ask, whats so wrong with that? It proves honesty.. If its abused on the other hand, technology can be counter productive and negative, but, if things like this make my insurance rates go down because some Joe isnt able to cheat the insurance agency, then go for it.. I dont intend to get caught doing something wrong, so why do I care? It seems to me that the people most nervous of technology are the ones trying to get away with something... I'm not really implying anything against anyone here, just dont understand the adamance of how making it illeagal for someone to use a cel phone w/o a hands free unit while driving can negativly effect any of our lives?? Again, the point was never to ban all cell phone use while driving.. The article clearly states the contrary.. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
flwiii
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The fallacy here is "insurance rates going down". Don't expect that even if technology helps them stop the scammers. They will raise the rate because of the costs of gathering all this lovely info from your auto.
It really doesn't bother me one way or the other if they did enact such a law as I use handsfree anyway. I don't like taking my eyes off the road when I use the cell. I will avoid using it if at all possible.
I just stated that I can understand SoundGuy's viewpoint after seeing some of the pain caused by the DMCA.
<font color="blue"> I dont intend to get caught doing something wrong, so why do I care? </font>
This sounds a bit suggestive. Are you saying that you intend on doing things wrong, just don't plan on getting caught doing them? Or, did you mean you don't intend on doing anything wrong so you aren't worried about getting caught? Just wondering.
It really doesn't bother me one way or the other if they did enact such a law as I use handsfree anyway. I don't like taking my eyes off the road when I use the cell. I will avoid using it if at all possible.
I just stated that I can understand SoundGuy's viewpoint after seeing some of the pain caused by the DMCA.
<font color="blue"> I dont intend to get caught doing something wrong, so why do I care? </font>
This sounds a bit suggestive. Are you saying that you intend on doing things wrong, just don't plan on getting caught doing them? Or, did you mean you don't intend on doing anything wrong so you aren't worried about getting caught? Just wondering.
flwii,
I think you took it like I was directing my last post to you.. In fact it was more of a general question of why the post has turned down the conspiracy path..
The insurance point was mearly building on your comments..You're probably right about that, though thats the excuse we've been hearing for years explaining why our rates are the way they are... However, I must say that my rates have gone down a bit over the years... I guess its because of age and driving record more than anything else..
No, I dont intend on doing anything wrong, but if I did, I'd hope not to get caught /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif... Does that answer the question? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I think you took it like I was directing my last post to you.. In fact it was more of a general question of why the post has turned down the conspiracy path..
The insurance point was mearly building on your comments..You're probably right about that, though thats the excuse we've been hearing for years explaining why our rates are the way they are... However, I must say that my rates have gone down a bit over the years... I guess its because of age and driving record more than anything else..
No, I dont intend on doing anything wrong, but if I did, I'd hope not to get caught /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif... Does that answer the question? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't think SoundGuy is defending the "inept" cell phone users as much as he is worried that a new law could be abused by others to include more than the laws intent. )</font>
Yep.. nothing like a little thing like passing a law to really muck up the situation you were trying to fix in the first place.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). After reading some of the absurd applications some have made with this law, I can understand SoundGuy's position.
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Unfortunately there are many examples of that.. But yes.. I agree... what could/should have been narrow in scope.. paints with a roller instead of a brush...
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I also think that SoundGuy is in agreement with you. We don't need another law. We need to, as you have said, enforce the ones we already have.
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Deffinately right.. you said it better than I was.
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Yep.. nothing like a little thing like passing a law to really muck up the situation you were trying to fix in the first place.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). After reading some of the absurd applications some have made with this law, I can understand SoundGuy's position.
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Unfortunately there are many examples of that.. But yes.. I agree... what could/should have been narrow in scope.. paints with a roller instead of a brush...
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I also think that SoundGuy is in agreement with you. We don't need another law. We need to, as you have said, enforce the ones we already have.
)</font>
Deffinately right.. you said it better than I was.
Soundguy
<font color="blue"> I guess I obviously don't see a huge difference to talking to someone on a handsfree cell phone vs talking to a passanger.. or i wouldn't be arguing the point. </font>
I don't understand the WHY of it, because what you are saying makes sense to me.
HOWEVER, there are too many studies now showing the same thing to ignore it. I usde to blow off those studies, but there's too much data now.
It's not the dialing, it's not the answering the phone that is the BIG distraction, it's the conversation with someone who is not in the vehicle. For some reason, for many people, this just about shuts down their awareness of what's going on in their immediate surroundings. Not EVERYBODY is affected this way, but most are to one degree or another.
I've seen it, too.
I don't understand the WHY of it, because what you are saying makes sense to me.
HOWEVER, there are too many studies now showing the same thing to ignore it. I usde to blow off those studies, but there's too much data now.
It's not the dialing, it's not the answering the phone that is the BIG distraction, it's the conversation with someone who is not in the vehicle. For some reason, for many people, this just about shuts down their awareness of what's going on in their immediate surroundings. Not EVERYBODY is affected this way, but most are to one degree or another.
I've seen it, too.
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HGM:
I didn't think that your comments were aimed directly to me. Who am I other than some words on a screen. I just thought I was not clear with my statements. My wife says I ramble too much so I don't always get the point I'm trying to make across properly.
Just heard a strange one on the radio. Someone rear ended a police officer because he was too busy eating a bowl of Corn Flakes while driving. Unbelievable. Now, that's a distraction.
I think driving record is probably the largest contributor to lower insurance rates. I am also glad to hear you aren't intent on doing things wrong. Thanks for the clarification /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I didn't think that your comments were aimed directly to me. Who am I other than some words on a screen. I just thought I was not clear with my statements. My wife says I ramble too much so I don't always get the point I'm trying to make across properly.
Just heard a strange one on the radio. Someone rear ended a police officer because he was too busy eating a bowl of Corn Flakes while driving. Unbelievable. Now, that's a distraction.
I think driving record is probably the largest contributor to lower insurance rates. I am also glad to hear you aren't intent on doing things wrong. Thanks for the clarification /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It's not the dialing, it's not the answering the phone that is the BIG distraction, it's the conversation with someone who is not in the vehicle. For some reason, for many people, this just about shuts down their awareness of what's going on in their immediate surroundings )</font>
I guess this could be attributed to 'tunnel vision' style thinking. Ever see people so engrossed in a task that you literally can not make contact with them without phisically touching them or something.. I.E. .. teens and video games .. hmm.. video games.. wonder if there is a connection.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Not EVERYBODY is affected this way, but most are to one degree or another.
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Hmm.. that must be why I'm having a hard time understanding it.. as I'd ahve to say I'm not effected by it at all. I frequently am wearing a telex headset or other type of wired or wireless vox communication rig while working my night job.. sometimes 5-7 hours at a time.. multiple days in a week. All the engineers working on a project usually have a com line so that we can intercommunicate.. we actually rely on that in order to get specific info, so that we can concentrate on our work... go figure... Probably has to do with how each particular person's brain is wired or something.. ( some of us must be hi-fi with 5.1 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif while others are mono.. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
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I guess this could be attributed to 'tunnel vision' style thinking. Ever see people so engrossed in a task that you literally can not make contact with them without phisically touching them or something.. I.E. .. teens and video games .. hmm.. video games.. wonder if there is a connection.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Not EVERYBODY is affected this way, but most are to one degree or another.
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Hmm.. that must be why I'm having a hard time understanding it.. as I'd ahve to say I'm not effected by it at all. I frequently am wearing a telex headset or other type of wired or wireless vox communication rig while working my night job.. sometimes 5-7 hours at a time.. multiple days in a week. All the engineers working on a project usually have a com line so that we can intercommunicate.. we actually rely on that in order to get specific info, so that we can concentrate on our work... go figure... Probably has to do with how each particular person's brain is wired or something.. ( some of us must be hi-fi with 5.1 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif while others are mono.. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )
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flwiii
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SoundGuy:
It may be the fact that a headset and the ensuing conversations are secondary for you as part of your job. In other words you have to be doing something on a control board while having the conversations.
I don't veg out when talking on the phone either, but that is probably similar to you. I spent 8 years as a Customer Service Supervisor. I would have to carry on a conversation while pulling files, collecting data on a computer etc. Over the years you develop the technique to put the convo into a secondary position.
A lot of people are used to doing nothing when having phone conversations. [IE sitting in a chair discussing today's events with a friend].
It may be the fact that a headset and the ensuing conversations are secondary for you as part of your job. In other words you have to be doing something on a control board while having the conversations.
I don't veg out when talking on the phone either, but that is probably similar to you. I spent 8 years as a Customer Service Supervisor. I would have to carry on a conversation while pulling files, collecting data on a computer etc. Over the years you develop the technique to put the convo into a secondary position.
A lot of people are used to doing nothing when having phone conversations. [IE sitting in a chair discussing today's events with a friend].
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Have any of you seen a show on Cable called MythBusters? They attempt to prove or disprove common assumptions people have. They did a test to see if cell phone use was similar to being somewhat intoxicated. It was a very interesting half-hour. If you get a chance to see it, you should, the results were interesting.
Each of the selected crew members had to drive a Police training course while sober. Then run the course while trying to answer math questions over the cell phone, then after the consumption of several beers over an hour period.
Each of the selected crew members had to drive a Police training course while sober. Then run the course while trying to answer math questions over the cell phone, then after the consumption of several beers over an hour period.
