Should 8 roller pto pump make this noise ?

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Mrwurm

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My neighbor and I just finished building a spraying rig for his NH 1920. Neither of us has ever used a roller pump before so we're not quite sure if the pump is working correctly. Its a Hypro 8 roller pump purchased from TSC. The pump delivers good flow and builds 200 psi. We installed the chains that prevent 'torque twisting.' Nothing on the pump or bracket is hitting anything else. The pump make a kind of rattling noise. Kinda sounds like marbles in a coffee can. Another way to describe it would be a clicking noise. I expected it to be silent.
So, what do you think ? Should it make noise ?
 
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I have never used a roller pump but have seen diagrams and it seems to me that a small amount of the noise you described would be normal.
Farwell
 
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Jerry, I only had a Hypro 6 roller pump instead of 8, but like you said, it was silent. So I can't say for sure there's something wrong, but I'd have to find that clicking sound even if I had to completely disassemble the pump, which is actually quite easy to do.
 
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Bird, we were testing the rig with the tractor at minimum idle speed, around 1000 rpm. I've found a diagram on the net and now that I see how the pump works, maybe it was rattling because of the low speed ? At 1000 engine rpm the pto is probably only turning about 200 rpm. Seems that maybe a bit more speed is needed to 'through out' the rollers against the bore.
 
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Just a thought, I wonder if they put all of the rollers in it.
 
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Ya, I would be inclined to open it up and take a look, but my neighbor would rather just take it back and get another. I usually make an attemp to fix things, because I know that an item returned to the manufacturer will probably just be scrapped. Thats not good for anybody.
I bought a new window-air-conditioner a few years back and found that it did not work when I got it home. I spent about two hours dismantling it. I adjusted a few components to eliminate binding and its been working ever since. I know this places me at risk for warranty rights, but sometimes it just seems like the best thing to do.
 
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Jerry, I think I learned about all there is to know about those pumps the hard and expensive way (same way I learn lots of things). A friend and neighbor had a daughter and boyfriend living in an old house that he owned. The boyfriend was in some kind of lawn care business, but then suddenly left the state, leaving some of his equipment behind, including a sprayer/washer rig with a 3 hp Briggs engine, 25 gallon tank, and Hypro pump. So it had been sitting behind that old abandoned house a couple of years when he started cleaning up the place and asked me if I wanted that thing. I put a carburetor on the motor and got it running good. The pump was seized so I took it apart and went and bought a new roller kit which didn't help. So I bought a new pump; first one I got was set up to turn the wrong direction so they gave me another one that turned the right direction. That was when I learned that you can simply open them up (4 bolts) and turn everything around. On a tractor PTO, you need them to turn one direction and on that rig I had, they need to turn the other direction. With a little experience, I found that it doesn't take much corrosion internally to make them seize, so after awhile that new pump seized. I simply took it apart and cleaned it in my glass bead blaster cabinet (like a little sandblaster) and it was good as new. The old original pump probably would have been fine if I'd done that. So after that, before I put it away, I filled it with antifreeze. Next time I went to use it, I dumped the antifreeze, used the rig, then reused the antifreeze to protect it until I needed it again.

Of course, I certainly don't know about your neighbor's pump, but suspect he could open it up and fix the problem quicker than he could drive to wherever he bought it to exchange it.
 
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Bird, it sure seems that you've done a little or a lot of most things. If at all possible, with your rate of posting, soon TBN will be a complete respository of your collective knowledge. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
First, I'm going to see if it will quiet down with some use and a higher rpm. Then, if its still noisy, I'll see if he wants to open it up.
 
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Jerry, I just realized that I might have been misleading when I said the pumps turn the other way. The intake and output remain the same so I guess you could say the pump turns the same way. It's just that you turn the rotor around so the input shaft is sticking out the opposite side of the housing.

And, yep, I've done a little bit of a lot of things; might even get something right some day so I don't spend a day or two on a one hour job. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Day before yesterday, I finished installing a ceiling fan with lights in our living room; started the night before. Now I've installed at least 9 in the past, but it's been 25 years or more since the last one and the new ones have changed a bit. Another one hour job that took me 5 or 6 hours. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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Yeah... my 8 roller pump has made that same noise for 18 years now /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif . I think it must be normal.
 

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