Shiitake Growing On Logs

/ Shiitake Growing On Logs
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#41  
I am posting this to show the thickness of the bark the width of the sapwood on 6 to 7 inch limbs from a 64 year old red alder tree from the coastal hills of Washington.

I ordered two more bags of spawn today. I'm getting a strain that is suited to cooler temperatures as a test to see how it compares.

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/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #42  
Pretty nice project!

About 20 years ago i grew some oyster mushrooms in news paper. Shredded the news paper and packed it into boxes i made that were about two foot square and six inches thick. The boxes had chicken wire over the two foot opens on both sides of the boxes. Then poured boiling water over the news paper to sterilize it. When it cooled to 70ish degrees i sprinkled mushroom sawdust type incoculum on to the news paper. The boxes where placed on edge and after some time the mushrooms started out both sides. I think there were two to three flushes with the first being the most.

I have to think that news paper mushrooms wouldn't be near as good as a natural log, but these tasted pretty good.

Good luck with your next batch!
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #43  
Tried ****ake mushrooms today for the first time. Saw it on the menu so had to give it a try. They were mixed with some scallops and pental or something like that. Kinda looked like rice. It was all very tasty. Looking forward to starting my own logs now.
 
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Still on track for over 100 logs. Did only three logs today. It's not that cold (40), but the wind came up and chilled me so I quit early. I have 75 logs done as of today. Waiting for my last ten pounds of spawn to show up. I will have used 25 pounds of all-around wide spectrum temperature spawn and 5 pounds each of two cold weather varieties when I call it quits for the year.
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs
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#45  
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Got my copy of The Shiitake Growers Handbook and more sawdust spawn yesterday and I'm back on the job.
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #46  
Okay I'm in after reading this thread I am going for it. I have lots of alder up my way as well and I have a bunch down. Have you thought of cottonwood, as I got some of those I'm looking to get rid of with big limbs, and they are already down. if not I got lots of alder on the ground.

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How do you like the book so far

were did you get that drill bit? thanks
 
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/ Shiitake Growing On Logs
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#47  
How long have the trees been down? When were they cut?

I have barely looked into the book, as I'm back outside drilling, filling, and waxing. One thing I did notice is, while alder rates at "medium suitability," so also does cottonwood. We have precious little of the high suitability species in our neck of the woods. The book indicates that the less than high suitability species require more effort in managing them. I've not gotten to the details on that yet.

The lady at Northwest Mycological Consultants (where I got my spawn, and their book) noted on the invoice that I should pay attention to the chapter on diseases that apply to log cultured shiitakes. I started reading it and it was a little bit technical for me at first glance. I will be going over it again.
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #48  
They have been down since last July I also have some large Maple, I could possibly use. The bark on the cottonwoods is thick, so I thought they might work. Were did you get that bit. Looking forward to getting home and checking for spawn in my area.
 
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#49  
I covered the time to cut logs early in the thread. It's between the leaves falling and the buds swelling. Anything left on the ground since July will most likely already be growing other fungi from wild spores. Also, the sugar content of those logs that shiitakes want would be a the low ebb at that time of year.
 
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Maple also rates in the medium range.

I get some big cottonwood limbs coming down in the storms most winters. I tried using them for firewood, but discovered I don't like it for that. Now if they come down, I'll try them for mushrooms.

Back when we got cold winters, thirty years ago, I made great syrup from our big leaf maples. It takes 35 gallons of sap to make one gallon of syrup. I like drinking the fresh sap too. It's really yummy. Too bad about global warming. The sap hasn't run enough in decades.
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #51  
Wife just called as I was reading this thread to say they have plugs in her seed catologs. Wow that's twice today any way I have plenty alders so I will look to cut one down and some big limbs from the cottonwood I dropped in November.
Would still like to know where you got that bit and if it is a special type
 
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Wife just called as I was reading this thread to say they have plugs in her seed catologs. Wow that's twice today any way I have plenty alders so I will look to cut one down and some big limbs from the cottonwood I dropped in November.
Would still like to know where you got that bit and if it is a special type

The bit I have is a special type. It fits my homemade inoculation tool. It also has that lead-screw which makes it pull into the wood, whereas the twist drill I used to use had to be pushed. It's way nicer to use.

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The bit was $12. It is a 12mm and fits my 1/2" tool. I got it from Northwest Mycological Consultants, where I've been getting my spawn. They also sell an inoculation tool for $32 (probably a better deal than the weeks and trips to town I spent on making my own). They sell an 8.5mm drill for the wood plugs that are $35 per 1,000.
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #53  
after sealing what do you do with the logs? do you keep them on horses or lay them on the ground
 
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I have been putting them on the ground to keep them wet. I just asked the lady at Northwest Mycological Consultants about this on Tuesday. She said it is a way to keep them from dying out, but it exposes them to fungal diseases. Most growers keep them cribbed up on pallets with a tarp or some kind of blanket over them to keep moisture in.

It seems like every idea I come up with on my own is a wrong turn. This OJT is tough. Looks like I have to move them all again. I'm up to 79 logs now and many of them are almost too heavy for me to lift. I have them in a place I can only get to with the tractor when it is fairly dry. It is on a slope. I don't have much for level ground nearby that is shady and has running water. I suppose I can move them over a day or so when things dry out again. I just don't know where that will be yet.
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #55  
I have been putting them on the ground to keep them wet. I just asked the lady at Northwest Mycological Consultants about this on Tuesday. She said it is a way to keep them from dying out, but it exposes them to fungal diseases. Most growers keep them cribbed up on pallets with a tarp or some kind of blanket over them to keep moisture in.

It seems like every idea I come up with on my own is a wrong turn. This OJT is tough. Looks like I have to move them all again. I'm up to 79 logs now and many of them are almost too heavy for me to lift. I have them in a place I can only get to with the tractor when it is fairly dry. It is on a slope. I don't have much for level ground nearby that is shady and has running water. I suppose I can move them over a day or so when things dry out again. I just don't know where that will be yet.

Thanks got lots of wet and shady will be scouting out a place though I think I am only gonna start with maybe a dozen or so and possibly try different areas. Book should be at the house before I get home, though I have more time when I'm at work to read.
 
/ Shiitake Growing On Logs
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I'm sitting at 107 logs and holding for the moment. Good day for watching football.

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/ Shiitake Growing On Logs #57  
Do you have people who want to buy them? Or are you going to sell them farmers market?
 
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Never planned to sell any. Who knows why I do things? I just hope I haven't wasted my time on logs that won't work. I'm not counting any mushrooms before they grow. I always planned to give away what I can't eat. That's how good a businessman I have always been.
 
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In the snows and winds of December and January, three of the trees that came down were perfect for making mushroom logs. I got 37 nice 42" logs from them. I have gone down from 48" as the larger ones were too much for me. Not that they are all that much lighter with only a half a foot chopped off. So, I am back at it, doing a warm weather strain and about to order 10 more pounds of wide range shiitake spawn.

When I received my copy of The Shiitake Growers Handbook, I was directed by Northwest Mycological Consultants to the chapter on diseases and pests to beware of on shiitake logs. I've read that section over three times now. It is pretty technical, and I don't know from all the Latin names of fungi to look out for. But what I am getting from it is that it is important to handle and store the logs properly during the next phases, i.e., the spawn run and fruiting cycles.

Yesterday, I visited a guy who is a couple years ahead of me in his first attempt at growing shiitakes on alder. He admittedly hadn't paid enough attention to handling his logs, and specifically, he'd been over-watering them when problem spores were likely to be present. (I know that my first attempt involved letting the logs get too dry.) Seeing the damage to his bark was a real eye-opener. These logs have to be kept moist, but exposed wet bark seems to be asking for problems. I will have to do something before the spring spores are looking for wet bark to colonize. I bought some tarps Wednesday to cover my stacks.

I just went out and turned on the hot plate under the wax. It's windy and nasty out, so I'm bundling up and getting ready for today's shift of drilling, filling, and waxing. Got my iPod full of books and I'm ready to go. Listening to a Michael Connelly book today.
 

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