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[DavesTractor]

"Wide Turns"

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That's some sort of gumption to try to move something that long and wide, surely without permits and with an inadequate truck, a rental at that. Now he is high centered I think. It is going to make the $800 (guessing) he saved seem like a real bargain. Tow truck, real moving truck, fines etc.

 

[California]

Yes, likely has run aground. And the trailer tires haven't yet reached the lowest point!

He may have also dented the corner of the roof into the back of the truck, turning as he started out of that hole, because he's so tall and close-coupled.

What a bozo.

 

[bdog]

Is that a 36 Montezuma? Trying to decide between than and the 30? Was concerned about how far back it runs with the flatbed and didn稚 want to chance hitting it with the neck of the GN

Brett

I measured it and it is the 30" It is however mounted 9" back from the upright on the headache rack to allow room for my air hose reel. I bet a 36" would fit if you could get it all the way forward.

Here are a couple pictures.





I hauled the load about 250 miles to our job site on Monday and back home today without incident but I sure knew it was back there. I am glad I took my pickup as there is no way the semi would have made it. The dozer cleared a path about a mile long from the highway to where we had to park and unload. It crossed a dry creek. Going in I unloaded the crawler before crossing and put it out front in case I needed a tow. I drug the trailer a little but made it. Coming out the same thing with the crawler out front but this time the front of the trailer bottomed out coming out of the creek and I was stuck. Had to drag my truck and trailer up with the crawler. My other truck there was a 17 F250 with a 24' gooseneck low boy and it drug and got stuck as well. The angle was such that the neck of the trailer made contact with the tailgate. I hollered and had them stop before it was destroyed but we got a minor dent in the top of the tailgate. Lowered the tailgate and made it up.

On the way back the DOT was sitting in the median and pulled out right behind me and I thought for sure I was getting stopped. He followed me for a couple miles and then turned around. I am pretty sure I was totally legal but they seem to always find something to give you a ticket for when they stop and inspect you.

 

[rustyshakelford]

I measured it and it is the 30" It is however mounted 9" back from the upright on the headache rack to allow room for my air hose reel. I bet a 36" would fit if you could get it all the way forward.

Here are a couple pictures.

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I hauled the load about 250 miles to our job site on Monday and back home today without incident but I sure knew it was back there. I am glad I took my pickup as there is no way the semi would have made it. The dozer cleared a path about a mile long from the highway to where we had to park and unload. It crossed a dry creek. Going in I unloaded the crawler before crossing and put it out front in case I needed a tow. I drug the trailer a little but made it. Coming out the same thing with the crawler out front but this time the front of the trailer bottomed out coming out of the creek and I was stuck. Had to drag my truck and trailer up with the crawler. My other truck there was a 17 F250 with a 24' gooseneck low boy and it drug and got stuck as well. The angle was such that the neck of the trailer made contact with the tailgate. I hollered and had them stop before it was destroyed but we got a minor dent in the top of the tailgate. Lowered the tailgate and made it up.

On the way back the DOT was sitting in the median and pulled out right behind me and I thought for sure I was getting stopped. He followed me for a couple miles and then turned around. I am pretty sure I was totally legal but they seem to always find something to give you a ticket for when they stop and inspect you.

Thanks for the pics. I have to put it behind the headache support on the flatbed due to my fuel tank. I think I’ll go with the 30” but the 36” was only $50 more so wanted to consider it. I’ve put a tape on it but it’s one of those things that I wanted first hand info on before being stuck with something that wouldn’t work.

Dot pulling behind you is a bad feeling for sure. If they are having a bad day you’re getting a ticket if they feel like it. Pretty much guaranteed to find something if they look hard enough.

Bad deal about the dent on the tailgate. Those are always the first. Love the flatbed due to zero concerns of the Trailer hitting it now. I’ve slowed down a bunch to be home more. Sold my 450 and bought an older 350 Dually. It doesn’t like my 30k Trailer like the 450. Been roaring equipment a lot more and I’m loving that. Might be putting my trailer up for sale if you know anyone in the market. These big trailers are harder to come by

Brett

 

[jeeptchr]

Thanks for the pics. I have to put it behind the headache support on the flatbed due to my fuel tank. I think I’ll go with the 30” but the 36” was only $50 more so wanted to consider it. I’ve put a tape on it but it’s one of those things that I wanted first hand info on before being stuck with something that wouldn’t work.

Dot pulling behind you is a bad feeling for sure. If they are having a bad day you’re getting a ticket if they feel like it. Pretty much guaranteed to find something if they look hard enough.

Bad deal about the dent on the tailgate. Those are always the first. Love the flatbed due to zero concerns of the Trailer hitting it now. I’ve slowed down a bunch to be home more. Sold my 450 and bought an older 350 Dually. It doesn’t like my 30k Trailer like the 450. Been roaring equipment a lot more and I’m loving that. Might be putting my trailer up for sale if you know anyone in the market. These big trailers are harder to come by

Brett

Don’t know where you are located, but Orshlen’s Farm and Home (I’m in Missouri) has 100$ off Montezuma toolboxes right now.

 

[GLyford]

On the way back the DOT was sitting in the median and pulled out right behind me and I thought for sure I was getting stopped. He followed me for a couple miles and then turned around. I am pretty sure I was totally legal but they seem to always find something to give you a ticket for when they stop and inspect you.

I wonder if that was just long enough for him to run your plates and see that the rig was registered for what it looked like you had on it...

 

[DavesTractor]

I wonder if that was just long enough for him to run your plates and see that the rig was registered for what it looked like you had on it...

Or making sure you had adequate chains, etc. In California, any rolling load must have 2 front and 2 rear chains. You can't loop one chain through the draw bar and bind it down and be good. And a ton of people will do that, meaning they make one very good tie down in back and another in front. That'll get you pulled over and at least an informal inspection will happen. For sure if you were ever going to be a little minimalist on the chains and binders, you want the ones in the rear to be very proper.

 

[aczlan]

Or making sure you had adequate chains, etc. In California, any rolling load must have 2 front and 2 rear chains. You can't loop one chain through the draw bar and bind it down and be good. And a ton of people will do that, meaning they make one very good tie down in back and another in front. That'll get you pulled over and at least an informal inspection will happen. For sure if you were ever going to be a little minimalist on the chains and binders, you want the ones in the rear to be very proper.

If its over 10,000#, that is correct, that is the federal rule. If its under 10,000#, only front and rear securement is required per:

§ 393.128
What are the rules for securing automobiles, light trucks and vans?
(a) Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of automobiles, light trucks, and vans which individually weigh 4,536 kg. (10,000 lb) or less. Vehicles which individually are heavier than 4,536 kg (10,000 lb) must be secured in accordance with the provisions of § 393.130 of this part.
(b) Securement of automobiles, light trucks, and vans.
(1) Automobiles, light trucks, and vans must be restrained at both the front and rear to prevent lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical movement using a minimum of two tiedowns.
(2) Tiedowns that are designed to be affixed to the structure of the automobile, light truck, or van must use the mounting points on those vehicles that have been specifically designed for that purpose.
(3) Tiedowns that are designed to fit over or around the wheels of an automobile, light truck, or van must provide restraint in the lateral, longitudinal and vertical directions.
(4) Edge protectors are not required for synthetic webbing at points where the webbing comes in contact with the tires.
§ 393.130
What are the rules for securing heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery?
(a) Applicability. The rules in this section apply to the transportation of heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery which operate on wheels or tracks, such as front end loaders, bulldozers, tractors, and power shovels and which individually weigh 4,536 kg (10,000 lb.) or more. Vehicles, equipment and machinery which is lighter than 4,536 kg (10,000 lb.) may also be secured in accordance with the provisions of this section, with § 393.128, or in accordance with the provisions of §§ 393.100 through 393.114.
(b) Preparation of equipment being transported.
(1) Accessory equipment, such as hydraulic shovels, must be completely lowered and secured to the vehicle.
(2) Articulated vehicles shall be restrained in a manner that prevents articulation while in transit.
(c) Securement of heavy vehicles, equipment or machinery with crawler tracks or wheels.
(1) In addition to the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section, heavy equipment or machinery with crawler tracks or wheels must be restrained against movement in the lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical direction using a minimum of four tiedowns.
(2) Each of the tiedowns must be affixed as close as practicable to the front and rear of the vehicle, or mounting points on the vehicle that have been specifically designed for that purpose.

Aaron Z

 

[DavesTractor]

If its over 10,000#, that is correct, that is the federal rule. If its under 10,000#, only front and rear securement is required per:


Aaron Z

Thanks for that information. Makes me wonder if California has a more stringent rule or if perhaps we are using the >10k lb rule even when not needed, such as tying down a compact tractor. We just sold a tractor to a local DOT guy, perhaps we should have him come in and give us a class. Right now, we always use 4 tie downs on any rolling load. Obviously being over secured is not a bad thing. We also put a strap across the front bucket and backhoe bucket, although we are aware this is not required on smaller tractors. But a couple years ago I was pulled into the scales and they made me put a strap over a front bucket and over a backhoe bucket on a 25 HP TLB. I mentioned the 10k rule, and they said essentially to do as I am told. No ticket, and I did as told. Has made me wonder ever since. And of course we all know a certain amount of this is open to interpretation by the officer, at least at the warning level where you aren't before a judge slicing and dicing a statute.

 

[aczlan]

Thanks for that information. Makes me wonder if California has a more stringent rule or if perhaps we are using the >10k lb rule even when not needed, such as tying down a compact tractor. We just sold a tractor to a local DOT guy, perhaps we should have him come in and give us a class. Right now, we always use 4 tie downs on any rolling load. Obviously being over secured is not a bad thing. We also put a strap across the front bucket and backhoe bucket, although we are aware this is not required on smaller tractors. But a couple years ago I was pulled into the scales and they made me put a strap over a front bucket and over a backhoe bucket on a 25 HP TLB. I mentioned the 10k rule, and they said essentially to do as I am told. No ticket, and I did as told. Has made me wonder ever since. And of course we all know a certain amount of this is open to interpretation by the officer, at least at the warning level where you aren't before a judge slicing and dicing a statute.

As I understand it, 4 tie downs is 10k and over. Any attachments (loader, backhoe, blade, etc) require their own tie down unless they can be pinned in place, no matter the weight.

Aaron Z