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If you could see your way clear to post additional details about your equipment choices, configuration, and hazards assessments I'd be all ears. If, however, due to the sensitive nature of the subject, you'd prefer to limit what you share, I understand perfectly.

Well shucks........I would discover this right at bedtime............For now.......ALL of my video stuff is LOREX.........including the range extending stuff.........That is the transmitting end and the recieving end. It isn't some cobbed together bunch of stuff to try to make it work; but a system that is engineered...........NO it isn't some fancy dancy commercial stuff like what I had when I was a successful videographer doing stuff for the military, Oprah, Outdoor channel and on and on........But it's there and affordable...........
Just go to Lorex.com and see what you think. They are always having some kind of sale. For me, I really appreciated their customer service folks that took the time to work with me and help me figure out what it was I needed the equipment to do and then find a system to meet those needs..........

GIVE WHAT YOU WANT or NEED.........what you NEED........a lot of thought and then talk with folks that KNOW about what it is.........The internet is full of "experts"............

My game cams are all Moultrie devices. I use them as it's where I get my feeders, they stand behind what they sell, and again, they have excellent customer support............Yes, I can see details of vehicles and faces as they come through my gate as I have the cams situated for the trigger time it takes to catch a picture at the right time..............

OH.........Lorex is Canadian through and through but they are not the Montreal separatists but just like you and me........The Moultrie folks are in Alabama and just a bunch of good old boys.............

It's late, so will get more out tomorrow about the solar panels and how I "engineered" those........God bless.......Dennis
 
/ Security Camera #42  
GREAT thread! MANY THANKS to Dennis and everyone else for their input. I am looking forward to reading more as I'm planning my own system right now.
 
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I found some inexpensive motion detectors that speak a custom recorded message. I think something like this would help prevent a break-in. You could say “You have activated a security camera, please step away”.

Keep in mind that I want something to protect my property while we are away. I already have zone sensors that tell me when there is someone walking on my property while we are here.

These recorders are at Amazon and priced at $26.54 each.

It is called “300 second USB recording module with motion sensor”

sherpa
 
/ Security Camera #44  
Hey Guys..........Back for a few minutes and gonna talk a bit about the solar battery power that I use for my cams..............

Lots of experimentation finally got me something that is dependable and for sure takes care of charging the battery.

First, ordering my system from Lorex I made sure that the system, cameras, were 12V DC. Often they are not. Lorex advised that they did not recommend batteries, solar or whatever. For me, 12V is 12V, whether it comes from an 120V ac converter or straight from a DC battery.

My cams are 750mili amps........So figured the wattage necessary and figured that a 10 watt solar panel would work and a small battery for like a lawn mower would be just fine........WRONG............lol......had built a really nice box out of wood and everything. So, next I got another solar panel. This time 20 watt..........MAKE SURE YOU GET A CONVERTOR with whatever you buy. It converts to 12V and sends it to the battery and the device. Usually they come with the panel.............OK..........

So all went along for a few days and then bang zoom the cam went down. We had had a few days of cloudy weather so I figured that the battery was a problem..........Went to an outfit that I get my tractor/RTV batteries and got a deep charge full size battery. Yes, a Walmart one would be fine; but I wanted for sure to get a lot of long lasting amperage and over the years I have found that getting the best quality one can buy is worth the time and effort...............OK, so now a new box with 2 solar panels and a full size battery was built. FANTASTIC. NO PROBLEMS and it did just fine for maybe a month. Then.........

My place is blessed with 30 acres of hickory and oak trees in an old growth hardwood forest. My road has a great canopy over it most of the time in the spring, summer, and into the fall...............I thought I had enough sunshine available when I placed the unit. One has to figure the distance from the receiver and the sunlight available to pick the just right spot. Line of sight at least does work..........This cam I am discussing is at least 600' from the house/receiver............

It turns out that I was getting maybe 3 or so hours of sunshine once the leaves came out and that was just not enough to keep the battery charged especially on cloudy days. So, I had the cam placement for the range/angle/height in just the spot I needed to get a good clear shot of the road and right after the first road alarm went off................SHUCKS..........This time I got another 20 watt panel and placed it and ran the wiring where this panel is in the sun most of the day. Maybe 30 feet. This gives me twice what the cam itself uses to run the cam and charge the battery. In addition there is the original 30 watts to keep the charge high......I really think I could get by with 30 Watts if I had direct sunshine all day.......But for me, it is working now perhaps 3 or 4 months.
No outages or missed shots. Really nice to hear that first alarm go off and look over on the TV monitor or up here in my "office" on my computer monitor and watch what is going up the road towards the 2nd alarm. If I see NOTHING and the 2nd alarm doesnt go off......well it's a bird or a critter setting it off. That's why there are 2 alarms...............

OK..................now what?????????.............God bless........Dennis

oh.......for sure make sure your box/whatever is critter proof. One day I lost the cam and went down to check it out..........A flying squirrel scared me so bad I had to change my shorts as I fell off the tailgate of the RTV........Not only had she/he/it moved in but decided to use some of my wire insulation for it's snug little winter nest.....Fixed that for sure
 
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Dennis,
What about your wireless camera extenders, which brand/model and how far apart are they?
 
/ Security Camera #46  
This is an example of their systems.
Buy security camera system on sale

Yes, Lorex sells individual components; but they specialize in their "engineered" systems. The best thing to do is call their customer service, tell them your needs and see what they suggest.............................The range extenders are:


Welcome to Lorex - Leader in security camera systems

Wow.....huge paste....hope it works...........YES these things work........Again my road cam on my entry/gate road is at least 600 feet and my one in front of the house is through many walls and then 150 feet................God bless.......Dennis
 
/ Security Camera #47  
I purchased the Bushnell Trophy HD Trail Cam with Wireless. to use until we set up something else. It takes pictures, night or day, of vehicles driving down our driveway. Thumbnails are then sent to a website via wireless signal at the next check in. You can purchase hi-res images of any particular image you want. Basic service is $10 per month. I've ordered a hi-res image of a pic of my car, it appears you can identify the license plate. Already very interesting to compare when contractors say they are going to be there versus when they actually are.
 
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Thanks, Dennis, for posting the details of the solar charging and alarm systems. I've been looking into solar power for my place here, and read an article a while back in Home Power magazine that covered sizing solar arrays based on the loads they would need to power. Using that and a little knowledge from high school electricity class (bet they don't teach that one very many places these days), I worked through an example for your video camera.

...My cams are 750mili amps........So figured the wattage necessary and figured that a 10 watt solar panel would work and a small battery for like a lawn mower would be just fine........WRONG

If the camera (or what ever load you're using from the battery) needs 0.75A, and runs 24 hours a day, that's .75 x 24 = 18 Amp/hours of battery capacity needed to keep it running. Most of my motorbike batteries are at least that size, so I can see where that would have been a reasonable guess on capacity.

But that's only the comes outta side. Ya gotta do the goes inta side, too, and for solar there's some guess work involved as you found out.

Our camera needs 0.75A, and at 12 Volts, that's 0.75 x 12 = 9 Watts. (W (power) = I (Amps) x V (Volts))

Over 24 hours that adds up to 24 x 9 Watts = 216 Watt hours of power to keep running day and night.

Now remember that the sun only shines in the day time, and the length of the day varies throughout the year. And sometimes clouds cut down on the intensity of the sunlight reaching the array. The solar power folks have come up with a term called "daily peak sun-hours" to help determine the amount of electricity available through a solar array at locations throughout the country. Here's an article that explains the term, and gives a reference for determining it at your location:
ASK THE EXPERTS: Peak Sun-Hours | Home Power Magazine

For Atlanta, GA, a little south of Sugar Hill, the daily peak sun-hours is about 4.75.

So to determine the size of the solar panel that will keep up with the camera, divide the camera's power use by the daily peak sun-hours:

216 Whr / 4.75 hr = 45.5 W

This assumes that the panel isn't in the shade at any time during the day, and that the converter is 100% efficient. You can correct for either of those being off by multiplying the above figure by the percentage of each factor. This number is an estimate that takes into account the yearly variation in day length as well as local weather conditions, so on long, clear summer days you'll have more power than the camera needs, but it may fall a little short on cloudy winter days. If I read your account correctly, Dennis, you've got 50W total of panels, but 30 of them are shaded in the summer. Owing to the longer days in the summer when 30W of production is shaded, your array is still keeping the battery up. And when the days shorten, the leaves drop and allow more of that previously shaded 30W to come into play. If you really want suspenders to go with your belt, up size the battery to get you through long periods of cloud cover and long nights during the winter, just as you've already done.

Harbor Freight sells a 45 Watt solar panel kit that includes a 12 volt regulator and two lights, and it just happens to be on sale now for $199. No experience myself with it, and unlike some of the HF stuff, this one seems well liked. HF might be convenient, but for two hundred bux you can probably do better at some of the surplus places on line.

FWIW, I'm using a deep cycle marine battery from WalMart on my electric gate, and after three years of unattended operation it's still going strong. Of course it'll probably bite the dust shortly since I've just mentioned it. I found a plastic battery box at WalMart and have it anchored into the ground to keep the battery from sprouting legs. I did that by digging a couple of feet down below the box and burying a length of chain in concrete as I filled the hole back up to the bottom of the battery box, the upper lip of which is a couple inches above the surrounding ground. When the top is on the box I wrap the ends of the chain over each other and hook them together with a pad lock. Yeah, anybody with a good pair of bolt cutters will still get the battery, but the setup so far has kept mostly honest people honest.
 
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I have a linksys router model # BEFW11S4, will it work as an extender for my security system?
If so where do I put it, on the camera, on the PC or somewhere in between?
 
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sherpa, the BEFW11S4 needs to be connected to your existing network first. According to this thread (see below) it will work as a range expander if it is connected to the network via Ethernet cable, but not if the only connection is wireless:

Can I use BEFW11S4 as repeater with WRT54G? - Linksys | DSLReports Forums

If you're OK with a wired Ethernet connection, the longer you can make the Ethernet cable, the farther the wireless network will be extended.

This link tells you how to set it up:

Article

Once you have the BEFW11S4 on the network, your camera needs to be in wireless range of it in order to make a connection (I'm assuming your camera is wireless). I'm also assuming you have only one network at your location, and that your PC is already connected to it. One of the links I found mentioned that the BEFW11S4 had a pretty limited wireless range of somewhere around thirty feet, so keep that in mind before you go to the effort of using it to expand your network.

The BEFW11S4 supports only 802.11B speeds of 11 Mb/sec, which might be OK for video depending on the camera and number of them. The latest standard is 802.11AC, and lots of people are selling their 802.11N routers after they upgrade. You might be able to find one inexpensively on Craig's List or eBay, then use it as a wireless network expander. But be sure to check the owner's manual to make sure it has that functionality (Google the model number with "range expander" as added search criteria).

FWIW, I just upgraded my home network to 802.11N and am enjoying better video with less stuttering, as well as faster file transfer speeds. I don't like living life on the bleeding edge of technology, and most of the kinks have been worked out of the "N" hardware by now.

Hope this helps,

Scot
 
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I've had a few signs on my property since I built it 10 years ago as a vacation home. Never a problem. I was talking to the police chief this summer in town and he said "isn't your house the one with all the network cameras?" lol, word gets around, nothing wrong with that.

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Last year for a construction project, I set up a remote IP camera, connected to router with 4G modem. I did have power at site, and I put the modem/router in a small locked rack in a pole barn. over 70000 pictures were sent to a remote computer running a free ftp server. pictures were triggered by motion, but wind, grass, trees will trigger a lot. I tried to turn motion sensitivity way down to minimize "false" trips. after the construction project, I made a time lapse video of the construction project, it alone is still over an hour. I'm trying to trim it way down, but haven't worked on it in awhile. Here's a couple pics from the camera, one caught the building inspector, and the other showing the amish framing crew at work. I designed the building, and the builder had an architect provide final stamped drawings.

IP camera Amazon.com: Dahua 1.3 Megapixel 720P ONVIF 3.6mm 1/3" Aptina CMOS IP66 20m IR Bullet IP Camera: 12v PoE ICR H.264: Computers & Accessories
router that supports USB 4G modem CradlePoint MBR95 Wireless 3G/4G Router at Amazon.com
USB 4G modem (I got it for $20) Amazon.com: LG VL600 4G Broadband USB Modem / Aircard - Verizon: Electronics

I have 4 of these cameras, and I can pull up the view on my phone, direct from the camera's, without needing any other software or recorder. (I could not remote view with the 4g modem, now have cable internet)

As a reference, its 70' to the vehicle, 200' to the edge of the building,and 280' to the portapot on the right side, according to my cad drawing.

added a photo I just took from my phone, it's inside the front doors of the building, in total darkness.
 

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I'm done pushing game cams since the OP doesn't seem interested but will mention that my 8 megapixel game cam easily captures license plates.

What model does this? Neither of my game cameras will give me license plate images that are readable.
 
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I purchased the Bushnell Trophy HD Trail Cam with Wireless. to use until we set up something else. It takes pictures, night or day, of vehicles driving down our driveway. Thumbnails are then sent to a website via wireless signal at the next check in. You can purchase hi-res images of any particular image you want. Basic service is $10 per month. I've ordered a hi-res image of a pic of my car, it appears you can identify the license plate. Already very interesting to compare when contractors say they are going to be there versus when they actually are.
This is a good alternative since I will be 1500 miles away. I was struggling with the internet connectivity as they is no power there, or internet.
What about multiple cameras, double data plan??
Thanks for the share.
 
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I have a linksys router model # BEFW11S4, will it work as an extender for my security system?
If so where do I put it, on the camera, on the PC or somewhere in between?

As others have said the router will work as a wireless extender, with some non-trivial configuration work.

But if you only need to extend a few devices (like fewer than 3 or so) look into this as an alternative:

IOGEAR Universal Wi-Fi N Adapter - network adapter - GWU627 - Wireless Adapters & Accessories - CDW.com

There are under $40 each and you would need one for each camera you want to extend. So if you only have a few cameras, it would be much cheaper than using a router as an extender, and even better it's much simpler. You simply plug one end of an Ethernet cable into the Ethernet port of the camera whose range you want to extend, and other end into this iogear device. This iogear device becomes the wireless access point for the camera you are extending. It assumes the camera's IP address and its network configuration is much simpler than putting a router into bridge mode.

These iogear devices require AC power and are not outdoor rated, but that's also the case with a router that you're putting into bridge mode. They also have to be wired with an Ethernet cable to the camera, but it looks like that's also the case with the router solution?

I have two of them in my setup, and they work great.
 
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This is a good alternative since I will be 1500 miles away. I was struggling with the internet connectivity as they is no power there, or internet.
What about multiple cameras, double data plan??
Thanks for the share.
Not sure as I only have the one but it appears they charge by images, not cameras. Their plans.

Just to be clear, the camera does not instantly upload the pictures and notify you, as it's intended as a game camera, not a security system. It uploads roughly every day. But it has captured vehicles coming and going.

Here's an example of a high-resolution image I purchased and downloaded. I have obscured the contractor's name and moved the license plate numbers around so you can see they are identifiable but that's not a real registration number to protect his privacy. It gives a date, time and temp stamp. And I cropped the edges to make it a bit smaller.

Full size.

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Just to be clear, the camera does not instantly upload the pictures and notify you, as it's intended as a game camera, not a security system. It uploads roughly every day. But it has captured vehicles coming and going.
I wouldnt need such a time constraint, just to capture the person or vehicle. those are very impressive clarity in the photos, thanks for sharing.
 
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That is impressive. I wonder if the resolution on mine would get better if I had it do photos instead of videos. I'll have tinker a bit with its settings.
 
 
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