SCUTs, why so little competition?

[Volfandt]

Originally Posted by Volfandt
Question for Neal, what model tractor is Kubota's largest seller? What is the top 5 sellers?

Sorry about the mispelling Neil, the question(s) still stands tho

I go by 3 different Kubota dealers weekly and all appear to have more BX models in stock than any other, is this just specific to my area or is this the norm?

But ti's basically the same price.
In very rare occasions as you show it is the perfect fit. But I think those cases are rare, thus for the same money MOST people go for the bigger tractor. Thus the point of my original post, what's the point? There are options for everything, but most people don't buy SCUT's, the market is limited.
That's all I'm saying.

Got any numbers to back that up?

A comparably equipped CUT would have cost me $4k+ more and it wouldn't give me near as nice a finish cut, the modest increase in FEL & 3PH lifting power isn't needed the majority of the time and in my case ground clearance isn't an issue. With an increase in price of nearly a 1/4 of the purchase price of the SCUT whats the point in buying a CUT that doesn't fit the primary need as well?

A SCUT is much more than a finish mower, although that is one of it's strenghts.
Most give a finish cut thats as good or better than premium lawn mowers that cost nearly the same but not as efficently as a ZTR. A ZTR is about the only machine that gives a better finish cut.

A SCUT when equipped w/an FEL can do anything a CUT w/an FEL can do but with slightly less capacity in some cases. A ZTR cannot.

A SCUT when equipped w/a BH can do anything a CUT w/a BH can do but with with smaller reach and bucket capacities. A ZTR cannot...

A SCUT can plow, disc, till, scrape, level, cultivate and seed a field just like a CUT but on a slightly smaller scale. A ZTR cannot....

In my case, after working the BX23 a week or so, I sold my JD L130 mower and much larger TE20 Ferguson small utility tractor as the little ole SCUT replaced them both.

Thats the point......

Volfandt

 

[HomeBrew2]

... A comparably equipped CUT would have cost me $4k+ more ...

Yep, that was what sold me. Tractor-loader ... pretty close ... w/backhoe ... $4-5K more ... no sale. I need the BH, period ... 6' depth is more than enough. I don't need to dig out Korean warheads

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I could not tell you what the top 5 are nationaly, thats going to be a very regional thing. For us BX's are first, roughly followed by ZD's, RTV's, L's, and then B's and M's. This year was a disproportional amount of BX24's, I'd say almost half of BX sales, this was unusual and we've had a hard time keeping them in stock. So yea, there are way more BX's out there than anything else. We also get more consistant good feedback from BX owners than anyone else. Probably becuase most people don't expect that such a small tractor can do much.

 

[rback33]

I would also like to point out that my "nibble" in the Mahindra forum stated that the new tractor & loader to be on display at Moultrie was a CUT not a SCUT. It is not going to be the answer if you are wanting SCUT. It is a very nice unit in its own right though.

 

[DavesTractor]

I would also like to point out that my "nibble" in the Mahindra forum stated that the new tractor & loader to be on display at Moultrie was a CUT not a SCUT. It is not going to be the answer if you are wanting SCUT. It is a very nice unit in its own right though.

Any pictures you care to post for us?

 

[rback33]

I wish I did. To be honest, it was almost an act of Congress to get the loader in the show period. Any guesses as to which one it is?

 

[DavesTractor]

I wish I did. To be honest, it was almost an act of Congress to get the loader in the show period. Any guesses as to which one it is?

Is it the 1815 or the 2415? I expect to see the 1815 models first.

 

[rback33]

sorry to disappoint.

 

[orgt]

I would also like to point out that my "nibble" in the Mahindra forum stated that the new tractor & loader to be on display at Moultrie was a CUT not a SCUT. It is not going to be the answer if you are wanting SCUT. It is a very nice unit in its own right though.

Personally I look at "sizes and labels" with a very open mind.

Some CUTs are so strong they behave like much bigger tracs, as Coasterez noted with his Kioti CK25 for example. And yet I bet if you put turf tires on them they won't have more of a footprint than SCUTs.

And then you have Neil who hears many customers being surprised by what these little SCUTs can do.

Ain't this wonderful?

Expensive LOL, but wonderful.

 

[orgt]

I would also like to point out that my "nibble" in the Mahindra forum stated that the new tractor & loader to be on display at Moultrie was a CUT not a SCUT. It is not going to be the answer if you are wanting SCUT. It is a very nice unit in its own right though.

Please see my previous post, nope, no size fights with me!

Kindly post more info on size, price, etc on that 2815 on this thread if and when you can. The bigger Mahindras seem to price very competitively so we might have a CONTENDER.

 

[rback33]

Please see my previous post, nope, no size fights with me!

Kindly post more info on size, price, etc on that 2815 on this thread if and when you can. The bigger Mahindras seem to price very competitively so we might have a CONTENDER.

Dave may actually be able to answer this better than I can. The 2415 will be slightly bigger than the existing 2015. However the 1815 will be smaller and may fit the bill better.

 

[DavesTractor]

Dave may actually be able to answer this better than I can. The 2415 will be slightly bigger than the existing 2015. However the 1815 will be smaller and may fit the bill better.

My info is only preliminary, so I have nothing to post as of yet on the 1815/2415. The 1815 will be lighter than the current 2015. For most people a heavy tractor is good, but as has been beat to death on this forum, there is a place for a lighter unit.

 

[swines]

I am just curious, why is it that "lesser-known" brands don't seem to compete with Kubota's wonderful but pricey BX series? The TZ from NH is even more expensive, ditto for JD machines.

This market must have huge upside. In addition to all the folks who quickly discover that there are many things that a garden tractor cannot do (tons of this and other forums), there is a huge new-ish market with the tens of thousands of folks who buy themselves a MacMansion each year and HAVE the dough to get the "better" stuff (which is why they will drive a Mercedes when a Camry would do just as fine a job) I see them all around here with farmland being gobbled up by developers. I still travel quite a bit and I see the same thing all across the country.

Anyway, I could see all these brands from Japan, Korea, India, China, etc. who have been building tractors for decades offer very good Sub Compacts at lower prices. Why don't they? Am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing something - how the tractor is going to be used. I have 1.25 acres and have had a Ford 1720 + loader + rear blade + post hole digger + sub-soiler for nearly 14 years. It is indispensible - in fact - so much so, that my wife insists that we will NOT have a smaller tractor.

During the 14 years, I've moved over 70 tons of gravel, topsoil, etc. Used it as a forklift on numerous occasions, plowed the driveway, leveled, smoothed, dug-up most of the 1.25 acres at one time or another, moved numerous shrubs and trees from the trailer to the installation location, and put in 750-feet of pipe fence. The landscaping is being done incrementally, and I expect to move an equal amount of new fill dirt, gravel, ground cover topping, shrubs, trees, etc. over the next 5-6 years. I use a single tine sub-soiler to make the first cut for the underground irrigation system when I install new zones, and then finish the final trench by hand.

I do work for the neighbors on a regular basis with the tractor as they do not have tractors and need the same type of work done.

I use a JD GT275 garden tractor for roto-tilling and lawn mowing - really a sub-CUT just wouldn't "cut it" for me. I suspect many other people have equal needs. I have more money than time, and the time + work a larger tractor saves me is well worth the extra money. Make sense?

 

[orgt]

It does make sense and thanks for the perspective... I think you missed post #49 though LOL. Here's what I said:

"Personally I look at "sizes and labels" with a very open mind.

Some CUTs are so strong they behave like much bigger tracs, as Coasterez noted with his Kioti CK25 for example. And yet I bet if you put turf tires on them they won't have more of a footprint than SCUTs.

And then you have Neil who hears many customers being surprised by what these little SCUTs can do.

Ain't this wonderful?

Expensive LOL, but wonderful."

Anyhow, would you have more info or even pics for that "single tine sub-soiler"? Whadizzit? Sounds really interesting. So far I've done the irrigation for our organic gardens by hand but we may move out west where water needs will be much greater and I'm always interested in learning anyway.