Saltless Water Softener

   / Saltless Water Softener #11  
I have had a Sear Softner for several years and had dero problems. Makes a big difference and no it definitely will not dry out your skin, quite the opposite. I have a neutralizer ahead of the softner unit due to acidic water. A neutralizer reduces acidity but makes the water harder in the process, so a softner is required to bring water to correct softness, 0 grains of hardness or close to it.
 
   / Saltless Water Softener #12  
Saltless softners are a joke, IMO, and don't actually do anything. Sure the companies tell you that they do, but all scientific tests that I have ever seen refute their claims. Things like magnets or aligning the ions with an electrical coil, etc, are so much hog wash, kind of like the magnets you can supposedly put on the gas line in a car to increase mileage. They don't do squat!.

Softners work via the ion exchange method, where the hardness, (calcium and magnesium ions) in the water are readily exchanged with sodium ions from the mineral bed in the softner. So the water isn't really "salty", it just has a higher sodium level than it normally would. The chloride portion of sodium chloride goes down the drain during the brining and rinsing cycle, while the sodium stays behind to be exchanged with the hardness ions in the water.

The mineral bed has a stronger affinity for the hardness ions in the water than the sodium ions, so one is easily exchanged for the other during normal operation. Each bead of mineral in the softner can only hold so many hardness ions, which is why the softner must be regenerated periodically. A strong sodium solution is required to make the mineral beads exchange their hardness ions for the sodium ions again, hence the brine solution required to recharge the softner.

Softners aren't really designed for iron removal, and don't work that well if the iron level is over say 2.5 ppm. But they will remove iron, strictly as as a filter, not by the ion exchange method, if the iron level isn't too high. If you have iron in your water, it is better to regenerate oftener and lower the amount of salt per regeneration. THis is because iron needs to be flushed out frequently by regenerating the softner, otherwise it can clog the softner by binding the individual mineral beads together in ever growing clumps until the softner doesn't remove either hardness or iron well anymore.

Don't use the green bag salt with iron remover in it. You are much better off getting the standard salt, and adding your own Iron Out to the salt. You get a lot more oxidizer than is in the salt. Even better, is to take a pound or so of Iron Out, mix it in a few gallons of warm water to desolve it, and then dumping it in the brine tank. THis will shock the softner and do a much better job of removing iron build up in the softner than constantly feeding it a very minimal amount of Iron Out constantly. Depending on your iron levels, you can do this say monthly or so, and keep your softner in great shape.

As for softners, no matter what anyone says, they all are about the same, and work about the same way. Kinetico uses a slightly different mineral, that costs more and is supposedly more efficient, but definitely not worth the HUGE premium that they charge for it, IMO. Sears is a good softner, and they sell more than everyone else put together, but it is a throw away unit, and generally not worth repairing. Parts change rapidly, and can be hard to get, but for something that only costs $400 or so, throw it away and replace it. Most private labeled units are no different than many other softners, but are sold via salesmen that get 50% +- of the sale price as commission, so they are way over rated, and over hyped. Definitely not worth the high price you pay versus other similar brands.

Most softners have the same controls. Made either by Fleckinstein or Autotrol, and then private labeled. Kinetico, Sears and Culligan (sometimes) have their own controls, but most others use one of the big two, and then try to claim that theirs is so much better than the others! Nothing but marketing hype.
 
   / Saltless Water Softener #13  
Howdi.. I am a new Rural homeowner and knew very little about Well Water. I trusted the Plumber that installed a "Water Right" System. It turned out to be a pile of Crap. Water looked bad, Smelled bad, Tasted bad. Do Not Look at this brand. Im now entertaining a Kinetico that uses no Electricity. Anyone have one??
Thanks..
 
   / Saltless Water Softener #14  
yomax4 said:
Howdi.. I am a new Rural homeowner and knew very little about Well Water. I trusted the Plumber that installed a "Water Right" System. It turned out to be a pile of Crap. Water looked bad, Smelled bad, Tasted bad. Do Not Look at this brand. Im now entertaining a Kinetico that uses no Electricity. Anyone have one??
Thanks..

I doubt the problem is the softner. You need to have your water tested, because softners don't work magic. They are only for calcium and magnesium, and some iron, nothing else.

You may need a charcoal filter for taste and odor problems. Depending on the severity of the problem, a simple inline filter may work, or you may need a large wholehouse unit that can be regenerated. Kinetico's are good units, but overhyped and overpriced. They usually work better more because of the dealer, who is more knowledgable than the average plumber, than because they actually are better.

A good dealer will do things like add charcoal filters when needed, and this makes all the difference in the world. Kinetico dealers are dedicated to selling water treatment, so they have to know what they are doing. So Kinetico gets credited with being better, while it is really the dealer who makes the difference. If you want and are willing to pay for this service and results, go for Kinetico. They are good units. Most plumbers don't know beans about softners and water treatment, hence they aren't qualified to deal with and resolve problem water issues.
 
   / Saltless Water Softener #15  
yomax4 said:
Howdi.. I am a new Rural homeowner and knew very little about Well Water. I trusted the Plumber that installed a "Water Right" System. It turned out to be a pile of Crap. Water looked bad, Smelled bad, Tasted bad. Do Not Look at this brand. Im now entertaining a Kinetico that uses no Electricity. Anyone have one??
Thanks..

Before spending any money on treatment equipment, you would be best off having a water analysis done by an independent lab, such as Envirotek which does not sell equipment. Most "state labs" also will not check the entire spectrum, they only check items mandated by the EPA. There are quite a few "things" that could be wrong with any given well which will pass the EPA guidelines for "safe" drinking water, yet they look and/or taste bad, hard, soft, etc.....

I chased my tail for a long time on this issue until I finally got a "real" water analysis. Turned out, all I needed was a chlorine shock treatment periodically. I upgraded to a chlorine injection pump just cuz I'm lazy and forgetful.
 

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