Riding mower RIO (Ridiculous Idea On the Onset)

[jaxs]

The answer is simple , Of course it doesn't

Thank you. We have a vote for yeller buttons don't make people look back,anyone feel they do? The longer this conversation go's on the more obvious it becomes that putting yeller buttons on lawn mowers is like teaching pigs to sing.
Granddad might say proponents of yeller buttons and improved gas cans need their tails tied together and hung over the clothes line.

 

[Jstpssng]

Thank you. We have a vote for yeller buttons don't make people look back,anyone feel they do? The longer this conversation go's on the more obvious it becomes that putting yeller buttons on lawn mowers is like teaching pigs to sing.
Granddad might say proponents of yeller buttons and improved gas cans need their tails tied together and hung over the clothes line.

I will supply the improved gas cans. OTOH, I will pay to hear your pigs sing.

 

[Raul-02]

.complements of lawyers I’m sure.

when lawyers get into the design of the machine.

Nope. That's the province of the Safety Engineer. I've built packaging machinery the safety engineers did their damnedest to engineer all the use out of the machines by making the access to them all but impossible. Somewhere on the internet there is a tale of a guy who went to work for a factory that had many floors in the building and on each floor, the fire doors were all propped open (safety engineers again not thinking) then when he had them all closed the temp in the building went to 140F. No one can work at 140F
No one asks lawyers to participate in the manufacturing or design process. Lawyers don't know a thing about making stuff. They ask Safety Engineers. And most of them never actually used the products they are engineering.

Lots of engineers never use the products they work on. Take Wolf stoves as a perfect example. Try cleaning one. It's a nightmare and it's also full of sharp un-deburred edges. They are designed by engineers.

Septic systems is another wonderful example. My civil engineer brother got a job in Egypt. He spent 8 years fixing the mistakes that the Russian Engineers made. They'd build overflow cistern sewerage water filtration systems that had to flow uphill. If there was a hopeless error that could be made the Russian engineers made it.

 

[Raul-02]

my mower's yeller button engages the blade.

 

[sd455dan]

Nope. That's the province of the Safety Engineer. I've built packaging machinery the safety engineers did their damnedest to engineer all the use out of the machines by making the access to them all but impossible. Somewhere on the internet there is a tale of a guy who went to work for a factory that had many floors in the building and on each floor, the fire doors were all propped open (safety engineers again not thinking) then when he had them all closed the temp in the building went to 140F. No one can work at 140F
No one asks lawyers to participate in the manufacturing or design process. Lawyers don't know a thing about making stuff. They ask Safety Engineers. And most of them never actually used the products they are engineering.

Lots of engineers never use the products they work on. Take Wolf stoves as a perfect example. Try cleaning one. It's a nightmare and it's also full of sharp un-deburred edges. They are designed by engineers.

Septic systems is another wonderful example. My civil engineer brother got a job in Egypt. He spent 8 years fixing the mistakes that the Russian Engineers made. They'd build overflow cistern sewerage water filtration systems that had to flow uphill. If there was a hopeless error that could be made the Russian engineers made it.

An engineer Holley carbs and Blower engineer that Does know his stuff poked a bit of fun at himself and all engineers over on another site I visit his Non engineer friend sent him the post below

Pretty funny and accurate

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Boost Engineer

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[Buggs67]

I had to search to find out what RIO stood for. My BIL's lawn mower would shut off if the blades were engaged and you put it in reverse. What a PITA. It also shut off if you got off it with the deck engaged. We disabled both. His tractor (an LS) will also shut off if he doesn't set the parking brake when dismounting. I would disable THAT, but he hasn't.

My ZTM shuts off if I get off with the mower deck engaged. I decided to NOT disable it since it's a possibility I might overturn on my hilly land and it's be safer if it shut down.

 

[RandyT]

Why are they not required on zero turns? I know would make machine inoperable but I see people using zero turns and they never look over their shoulder before backing up.

There are a lot of Z turns that will either die or shut off the deck if both levers are moved to the reverse position.

Several other manufactures have had much better systems than Deere. I agree with the OP , instead of concentrating on what you should be, you are seeking a switch to pull or button to press. Husqvarna you turned the key back one notch on the switch. Early Toro had their key choice which had an extra key under the seat that you would turn once and it would last until the PTO switch was cycled. Didn't want the operator to be able to mow backwards? You took the extra key out. Even MTD had a better system than Deere. Similar to Husqvarna, but you also pushed a button and this lasted until the PTO was cycled. The whole thing started with MTD decades before the standard. Prior to the requirement, it was a voluntary thing between Deere and Toro as a way to meet the standard that was in the making in a way that was user friendly. One of them got it right...

Because MTD was the original case of getting sued for a father backing over his daughter

Love my ZT mower. Works in reverse, fwd and while doing circles if I want. Wonder if any of these have a rev cut out.

Most consumer Z turns have the no mower in reverse safety system. Work on several every year. Some shut off the deck and then restart the deck when moved out of both levers in reverse. Some require resetting the pto switch, some shutdown the engine.

 

[jaxs]

Preventing dismount while blades engaged and need for parking break before dismounting while engine is running might save an accident. I see no benefit from inability to mow in reverse.
Giving credit where credit is due,they are making it increasingly difficult to circumvent the devices. In the beginning switches were single pole,n/o or n/c. Now the switch includes multiple s/p,d/p,n/o,n/c contacts that require much more than simply disconnecting a plug or installing a jumper. It can be a challange even with help from interweb buds.

 

[RandyT]

Preventing dismount while blades engaged and need for parking break before dismounting while engine is running might save an accident. I see no benefit from inability to mow in reverse.
Giving credit where credit is due,they are making it increasingly difficult to circumvent the devices. In the beginning switches were single pole,n/o or n/c. Now the switch includes multiple s/p,d/p,n/o,n/c contacts that require much more than simply disconnecting a plug or installing a jumper. It can be a challange even with help from interweb buds.

And have to be very careful some of those systems if bypassed will cause a constant flow through systems that are designed for intermittent flow resulting in other electrical issues.

 

[jaxs]

And have to be very careful some of those systems if bypassed will cause a constant flow through systems that are designed for intermittent flow resulting in other electrical issues.

Which translates to "If you don't know how it works,don't jack with it".