Rethinking Mahindra

/ Rethinking Mahindra #21  
Bradford Timber said:
Come on now about the Kubota knockoffs. You trying to get my gander up?

Three different Kubota dealers told me they started carrying Kubota 15 years ago to fill a SCUT void. That's all Kubota had at the table.

I grant you that Japanese manufacturers are good, the quality is mesmerizing. But not one of their tractors has been an original. I am sure you know that.


I still don't understand. Kubota has been making tractors for a VERY long time. As far as I can tell, Kubota has been the one being "knocked off". Kioti used to tell buyers that they were the same as Kubota. Even painted them the same shade.

Maybe you can provide some examples of who, how, what and when Kubota knocked off someone? It would help me understand...

jb
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #22  
john_bud said:
I still don't understand. Kubota has been making tractors for a VERY long time. As far as I can tell, Kubota has been the one being "knocked off". Kioti used to tell buyers that they were the same as Kubota. Even painted them the same shade.

Maybe you can provide some examples of who, how, what and when Kubota knocked off someone? It would help me understand...

jb

I agree. Kubota didn't fall of the proverbial "turnip truck" yesterday. Here's a little history:

Kubota Engine Division
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #23  
joes_427_vette said:
Anyone have experience with the Kubota knock offs?
john_bud said:
I still don't understand. Kubota has been making tractors for a VERY long time. As far as I can tell, Kubota has been the one being "knocked off". Kioti used to tell buyers that they were the same as Kubota. Even painted them the same shade. Maybe you can provide some examples of who, how, what and when Kubota knocked off someone? It would help me understand... jb
Relax my orange friends! :) I'm sure he meant the Kioti line. My local Kubota dealer always refers to the Kioti line as those "faded orange imitation Kubotas"! :rolleyes:

Dougster
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #24  
Dougster said:
Relax my orange friends! :) I'm sure he meant the Kioti line. My local Kubota dealer always refers to the Kioti line as those "faded orange imitation Kubotas"! :rolleyes:

Dougster

No problem...I didn't take it personally:)

I would have researched and posted as well if someone would have said JD was knocking off some other tractor company. I love contrasting points of view...but I just want the facts...not speculation...unless they specify they are guesstimating or speculating:)
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #25  
I must say that I am confused by the "off brand" tire label on the Mahindra. Since when is Titan an off brand tire for a tractor? I thought Kubota used them too, but may be mistaken. They had a nice display at the World Ag Expo in Tulare though....
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #26  
rback33 said:
I must say that I am confused by the "off brand" tire label on the Mahindra. Since when is Titan an off brand tire for a tractor? I thought Kubota used them too, but may be mistaken. They had a nice display at the World Ag Expo in Tulare though....

Not sure, my Kubota has Firestone tires, but maybe it's just my particular model.
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #27  
rback33,

some of the 2wd "00" series Mahindras come over with Indian tires. The rest use Titan or Carlisle.
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #28  
rback33 said:
I must say that I am confused by the "off brand" tire label on the Mahindra. Since when is Titan an off brand tire for a tractor? I thought Kubota used them too, but may be mistaken. They had a nice display at the World Ag Expo in Tulare though....
I didn't get that either. I was under the mistaken impression yet again that Titan was a major player in tractor tires. Silly Moi! :rolleyes:

But I'm not taking it personally. :D I'm getting used to being told I drive an off-brand, second rate tractor with off-brand, second rate tires, etc. ;)

Truth is, I laugh about it out loud every time I see what my money would have bought me in either lime green, blue or orange! :D Gotta leave those color machines to those folks with the very TALL green in their pockets! :D

Dougster
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #29  
DavesTractor said:
rback33,

some of the 2wd "00" series Mahindras come over with Indian tires. The rest use Titan or Carlisle.


Well I'll be darned.. didn't know that some come from India with tires. I forgot about Carlisle though... don't know much about them other than they are only 4 hrs from me....
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #30  
Titan is a pretty big player in the farm tire business especially since they bought Goodyear's farm tire division last February for about $100 million.
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #31  
I was tickled when my Kioti came with Titan tires, they are good ones.
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #32  
I have Titans on mine also. Nice tires..........
 

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/ Rethinking Mahindra #33  
Indeed, my 'bota has firestones on the back and Titan's on the front.

Goodyear Ag is now Titan. Not a small potato's company!

jb

Dougster - not to worry, my state of relaxation remains. I just wanted to know some details that BT may know. This is a place to learn after all! And companies do tend to reflect the successful designs of each other...

jb
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #34  
john_bud said:
Indeed, my 'bota has firestones on the back and Titan's on the front.

Goodyear Ag is now Titan. Not a small potato's company!

jb

Dougster - not to worry, my state of relaxation remains. I just wanted to know some details that BT may know. This is a place to learn after all! And companies do tend to reflect the successful designs of each other...

jb

My 'bota has Firestones on the back and Titan's on the front also:) And you are right, this is a great site for learning about your tractor...I didn't know that, but after reading your post, I went out and looked. :)
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra
  • Thread Starter
#35  
What I found out yesterday roaming beautiful East Texas...

Really bad mistake plugging the TT75A.

- Read end the size of a twelve bolt GM (almost)
- PTO shaft exits through a 3" boss sticking out of the very small rear end.
- Titan tires (which I've just learned are probably not so bad.)
- WOBBLY rear fenders.
- General feeling of cheapness.
- The TD75 is a TRACTOR. But too many bells and whistles. Very closely aligned with the CASE JX line.

John Deere "get's it". I don't think they are gonna lose the Utility tractor battle.

- It's all there. My only problem is putting such a nice tractor to the tasks I will be doing shredding 6' brush and saplings etc.
- Deere is canceling the 5005 line (made in Augusta) and will make a 4 wheel drive in the 5003 line (made in India)!!
- will lower the price of all. Right now 14.2K M to 16K JD.
- currently 750 rebate on cash.

I like Kubota but it is more like a car have to put in a barn. Too much plastic. I kept thinking "my wife would like this."
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #36  
"John Deere "get's it". I don't think they are gonna lose the Utility tractor battle."

Just a note: We all "learned" yesterday that a Utility tractor has to be 50 HP at the PTO, have Cat 2 3ph capability and have multiple PTO speeds (540/1000). Does your JD selection have this? If not, its a "compact utility tractor". (grin) This thread actually exists here...It was very informative. BobG in VA
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #37  
BobG_in_VA said:
"John Deere "get's it". I don't think they are gonna lose the Utility tractor battle."

Just a note: We all "learned" yesterday that a Utility tractor has to be 50 HP at the PTO, have Cat 2 3ph capability and have multiple PTO speeds (540/1000). Does your JD selection have this? If not, its a "compact utility tractor". (grin) This thread actually exists here...It was very informative. BobG in VA

Oh, sorry, I also meant to say my Mahindra IS a Utility Tractor...by that definition. BobG in VA
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #38  
Bradford Timber said:
What I found out yesterday roaming beautiful East Texas...

Really bad mistake plugging the TT75A.

- Read end the size of a twelve bolt GM (almost)
- PTO shaft exits through a 3" boss sticking out of the very small rear end.
- Titan tires (which I've just learned are probably not so bad.)
- WOBBLY rear fenders.
- General feeling of cheapness.
- The TD75 is a TRACTOR. But too many bells and whistles. Very closely aligned with the CASE JX line.

John Deere "get's it". I don't think they are gonna lose the Utility tractor battle.

- It's all there. My only problem is putting such a nice tractor to the tasks I will be doing shredding 6' brush and saplings etc.
- Deere is canceling the 5005 line (made in Augusta) and will make a 4 wheel drive in the 5003 line (made in India)!!
- will lower the price of all. Right now 14.2K M to 16K JD.
- currently 750 rebate on cash.

I like Kubota but it is more like a car have to put in a barn. Too much plastic. I kept thinking "my wife would like this."

Too much plastic? Maybe you can help me understand...is there a specific tractor that you are talking about which has too much plastic, because my small-baby L3130 has almost no plastic except in the "usual" places like around the dash.

Just curious about which model you are talking about. Thanks :)
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #39  
Podunkadunk said:
Too much plastic? Maybe you can help me understand...is there a specific tractor that you are talking about which has too much plastic, because my small-baby L3130 has almost no plastic except in the "usual" places like around the dash.

Just curious about which model you are talking about. Thanks :)


I was wondering if someone would post about BT's comment on Kubota "plastic". It is interesting, when I was looking at tractors, the JD's had plastic hoods and fenders. It was a proud selling point that the dealers were making a big deal about. I (like BT) didn't like the look and feel of plastic on a tractor and went with the all steel hood and fenders on the Kubota.

Have the tables turned and are JD's now metal hoods & fenders and Kubota's gone to the plastic side? I didn't think that would happen, but haven't been keeping up to date on the latest and greatest.


BT, I also strongly agree with you --> John Deere "gets it" when it comes to the 5000 series tractors. Well designed, built and priced affordably. It looks like competition has pushed them. Just too bad they are having to import and not build here...

Then again, last job I was at we looked at expansion in China and decided against it due to the labor costs being too high. Companies are expanding in India as the country is pro-West, english speaking and cheaper than China with a better eduacted work force.

jb
 
/ Rethinking Mahindra #40  
john_bud said:
I was wondering if someone would post about BT's comment on Kubota "plastic". It is interesting, when I was looking at tractors, the JD's had plastic hoods and fenders. It was a proud selling point that the dealers were making a big deal about. I (like BT) didn't like the look and feel of plastic on a tractor and went with the all steel hood and fenders on the Kubota.

Have the tables turned and are JD's now metal hoods & fenders and Kubota's gone to the plastic side? I didn't think that would happen, but haven't been keeping up to date on the latest and greatest.


BT, I also strongly agree with you --> John Deere "gets it" when it comes to the 5000 series tractors. Well designed, built and priced affordably. It looks like competition has pushed them. Just too bad they are having to import and not build here...

Then again, last job I was at we looked at expansion in China and decided against it due to the labor costs being too high. Companies are expanding in India as the country is pro-West, english speaking and cheaper than China with a better eduacted work force.

jb

Maybe the larger Kubota Tractors have gone with the plastic fenders/hood, I don't know, I haven't looked at them except from a distance. My tractor is an L3130, 2006 model. It has only a little plastic on it, almost entirely metal. The 2007 model of my tractor changed cosmetically, with a few other small changes (according to my dealer). It's not 3130 anymore, but 3240. I saw one, but didn't go up and do a "touchy feely" on it to see if it's plastic or metal. Some people don't like plastic, it's lightweight and I have heard it's prone (in some applications) to cracking and warping, but will "bounce" back from a ding or dent, unlike metal. On the other side of the coin, some don't like metal...corrosion, heavier and once it bends or dings, it's bent or dinged for good. To each his own I reckon...it's what makes the world tick.

As for JD closing it's Augusta plant and moving to India, that's a shame for the workers in GA, but I guess if they want to stay competitive, they have to go where they can shave points off the price (through cheaper labor overhead). The Indians are great workers and yes, education is a priority there. I am in the I.T. business, we have several Indian programmers. Great people and by nature aren't "terroristic", nor do they believe it's their religion or you must be killed! They are all alright in my book!

This thread was originally about Mahindra before it was "hijacked" 7 ways from Sunday (I guess I'm guilty a little myself). However, to get back on tangient, I looked at the Mahindra's, thinking I was gonna get a really quality tractor at a price cheaper than Kubota or JD. Well, the quality (I feel) is there, but the price was as high as a comparable Kubota. I'm not kidding, the dealer in MY area is really expensive with his Mahindra's. So, upon the advice of a farmer friend of mine, I went Kubota. The Japanese engine and engineering coupled with the fact that the only parts not made in Japan by Kubota on the tractor (from what I have been told on this forum) are the RIMS...whoopety doo, the stinking rims. Anyhow, I like there loyalty to their brand.

Have a good day JohnBud :)
 

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