Replace secondary (inner) air filter?

[Rusty]

The operator's manual for my B7500 specifies replacing the secondary (inner) air cleaner element every year. I have changed it every 200 hours (12-15 months) since I bought the tractor new. I have not seen any trace of soiling on any of the three secondary elements that I have replaced. In a discussion today with the parts man at my Kubota dealer, he questioned why I replace a filter that is still "clean."

How often do the rest of you replace the secondary air cleaner element? What criteria do you use to determine when to replace this filter?

Thanks, in advance!

 

[wushaw]

My criteria is:

1. Dirty filter get the boot.
2. Clean filter stays till it meets criteria one.

 

[lawn_king]

I ran a B7500 for 700 hrs. over six seasons. I replaced the outer filter every 150 hours or so, i never replaced the inner filter as it never got soiled.

 

[SPYDERLK]

The operator's manual for my B7500 specifies replacing the secondary (inner) air cleaner element every year. I have changed it every 200 hours (12-15 months) since I bought the tractor new. I have not seen any trace of soiling on any of the three secondary elements that I have replaced. In a discussion today with the parts man at my Kubota dealer, he questioned why I replace a filter that is still "clean."

How often do the rest of you replace the secondary air cleaner element? What criteria do you use to determine when to replace this filter?

Thanks, in advance!

Since I dont like to waste $ I never replace it. The outer one is a much finer filter with much greater area. It does all the work. The secondary is just there in case of failure of the primary. The primary can rupture if you dont clean or replace it appropriately. If that ever happens you replace them both. I clean my outer filter enuf and it has never failed, so I have never replaced an outer filter either.
larry

 

[big bubba]

academic question: can a visual always determine when a filter needs changing? also, don't forget the manual stating not to touch or handle the inner element for some reason. the quality of the intake air flow, aside from fuel & engine oil quality, determines the longevity of diesels. I've heard from K mechanics where owners used after market air filters, duct taping non stock openings in them, and dusting the engine in a hurry. I'd almost rather go slightly over on an oil change than save a few $ on air filters...... yeah, I'm neurotic, but a change of air filters, in some cases, is less than the monthly interest of a payment....and big bub (7040) will be paid off in several months bb

 

[RobJ]

Yeah but aren't those inners expensive. I PM my neighbors Ford 4630 and I think the inner is triple the price of the outer. I just keep a clean outter for now.

My little L only has 1.

 

[Rusty]

All - Thanks for the comments! I'm still thinking about this. I am in the "Don't be cheap on maintenance" crowd, but I am really wondering about this one. My inner filter is a metal mesh (fine opening screen) material that you can look thru - no pleated opaque fabric - no visual soiling.

Yeah but aren't those inners expensive. I PM my neighbors Ford 4630 and I think the inner is triple the price of the outer.

Rob - For my B7500, the outer element was $34.76 and the inner element was $32.34 the last time I bought (about 15 months ago).

 

[big bubba]

rusty: I'll bet you're 98% okay most times on the inner from what you describe. Just something not to be taken for granted. why not ask an impartial K mechanic about it, or call central @ 817 571 0900 (w/SN on hand) and ask for Larry or David in tech bb

 

[RobJ]

Rob[/B] - For my B7500, the outer element was $34.76 and the inner element was $32.34 the last time I bought (about 15 months ago).

Wow both pricey. That Ford is a 50hp range tractor, I think the outer is about $20(and a huge filter), the inner about $50 something.

 

[Rusty]

rusty: I'll bet you're 98% okay most times on the inner from what you describe. Just something not to be taken for granted. why not ask an impartial K mechanic about it, or call central @ 817 571 0900 (w/SN on hand) and ask for Larry or David in tech bb

big bubba - Thanks! I just off the telephone with Larry at Kubota Central. He said that the inner filter element is a safety net in case of damage/failure of the outer primary element. Although my casual observation of the inner element led me to believe that it has larger openings than the primary filter, Larry says that the inner element provides finer filtration. It can continue to be used until damage/failure of the primary element, or observable soiling of the secondary element. I intend to keep changing the primary element every 200 hours, but only replacing the secondary element as described above.

Thanks, again, to all!!!

 

[Marcussen]

The L2800 does no come with an inner filter (it's listed as an option), I bought one and installed it figuring it was cheap insurance. The part guy said "yes it's cheap insurance and you only have to buy it once. It will last forever." I put a filter minder on the housing to ensure I could tell if the outer filter gets dirty.

 

[big bubba]

rusty: good. all the reason why on occasion it pays to go to the source rather than listen to ramblers like me. good luck bb

 

[RobJ]

The L2800 does no come with an inner filter (it's listed as an option), I bought one and installed it figuring it was cheap insurance. The part guy said "yes it's cheap insurance and you only have to buy it once. It will last forever." I put a filter minder on the housing to ensure I could tell if the outer filter gets dirty.

Just curious, doid you have to change out the canister, or just put it in. on my L it is listed as a different filter and canister I think. My air filter as the opening at both ends, I think the dual set up filter is closed up at one end. Sort of cheap to just leave it out IMO.

Rob

 

[wushaw]

Just curious, doid you have to change out the canister, or just put it in. on my L it is listed as a different filter and canister I think. My air filter as the opening at both ends, I think the dual set up filter is closed up at one end. Sort of cheap to just leave it out IMO.

Rob

The canister does not have to be changed.

I had the secondary installed since day one.

 

[canoetrpr]

Interesting. I picked up the primary and secondary at the 50 hr mark but returned the secondary once I opened things up and realised that there was no inner filter.

I might as well pick one up and keep it in there. Then again, the outer is probably more than good enough and I will change it regularly.

 

[SPYDERLK]

big bubba - Thanks! I just off the telephone with Larry at Kubota Central. He said that the inner filter element is a safety net in case of damage/failure of the outer primary element. Although my casual observation of the inner element led me to believe that it has larger openings than the primary filter, Larry says that the inner element provides finer filtration. It can continue to be used until damage/failure of the primary element, or observable soiling of the secondary element. I intend to keep changing the primary element every 200 hours, but only replacing the secondary element as described above.

Thanks, again, to all!!!

People that give me info like that lose credibility unless they can substantiate their claim in an understandable manner. That Larry has contradicted himself.
larry

 

[Rusty]

People that give me info like that lose credibility unless they can substantiate their claim in an understandable manner. That Larry has contradicted himself.
larry

I don't understand, Larry contradicted my casual observation, not himself.