Removing the detent from the 3PH hydraulic control valve

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sdef

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I have both Kioti rear hydraulic remote sets on my DK45HSE and use them for top and tilt for my box blade. The long handled remote control lever also has a long travel and easy usage/3PH implement adjustability because of it. The short control lever has detents at either end of its very short travel and is difficult to use for my intended tasks. And with its very short travel and detents, I would think the only viable use of this valve would be for something that requires continuous flow, like a log splitter. I find the detented valve nearly useless for my application.

I stumbled onto a post response on TBN last week where the responder supplied the following URL on YouTube, where a gentleman with a DK40 was removing the detents from his valve. It is very easy and I have just completed the detent removal on mine. I would thank the poster profusely but neglected to keep the contact information. So if he/she happens to read this, THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Hydraulic valve work - YouTube

I will add some caveats:

1- The front valve "cover' that needs to be removed can actually be removed using one of two sizes of wrenches and appears to be an assembly. One wants to remove the whole assembly, which includes the thick, outer nut, the shaft it is mounted on, along with the larger diameter, thinner nut in the rear. I believe the whole assembly is just a cover and nothing more.

The outside nut was apparently used as the removal point in the video using a 24mm wrench. 24mm is too small for mine and I guess 25mm might be the right size, which I did not have. However, a 1" fit a little sloppy, but worked. I turned that outer nut several times and noted the pressure did not release any and I did not seem to be making any headway. I re-examined the situation and was getting a bit concerned as the nut was turning but no progress. I tried one more time and the whole assembly finally broke loose at the rear, behind the inner most nut, that was apparently being held tight with paint.

So I would suggest that if possible use a wrench on the thinner, inner most nut where the assembly is actually held that needs to be removed.

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2- Watching the video, I wondered how the 4 ball bearing that had to be removed where held in their mating holes. And as soon as I removed the cover that came off a bit cocked to one side and knocked one of the BBs out, which fell on the ground among the stones and sand, I found out- simply by grease. I would suggest one holds something under this cover when removing it and to have more foresight than I by having a tarp or something under this part of the tractor to catch anything that might fall out. Fortunately I have a large magnet at the end of a wooden pole and after many passes across the ground, finally found the BB.

3- The spring is in the center of the shaft, slid back into the shaft but not under pressure. I had to coax mine out using a tiny flat tip screw driver through one of the three side holes the smaller BBs came out of.

I did a function test before putting the large metal cover and seat back in, but this is not rocket science. There is nothing to leak. I believe this assembly is simply added on to the hydraulics part of the valve simply to act as a mechanical stop-detent. Odds are it would run fine without the cover on it, but would be a dirty mess to clean up, should one ever want to put the dent function back together.

I think I will enjoy my T-N-T much more now I do not have to mess with that detented valve. The stroke is not as long as the other handle/valve, but it works far better than before. And should I ever need continuous flow from a remote, I will be very comfortable using a bungee to keep it locked on.
 
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Yeah I put that video up. You're welcome! I'm really glad it was able to help someone else. Good point about nothing to leak. I really didn't think about that when I was rambling in the video :) that cover could probably be off no problem with pressure in the system as long as the shaft o-rings were sealing good.
 
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Yeah I put that video up. You're welcome! I'm really glad it was able to help someone else. Good point about nothing to leak. I really didn't think about that when I was rambling in the video :) that cover could probably be off no problem with pressure in the system as long as the shaft o-rings were sealing good.

Chuckle, chuckle. Thanks again. You will be making my life much easier! I am certain there must be others on TBN that will benefit from your insight and video. BTW: Glad I have NO need for a snow blower... I grew up in Iowa, had snowmobiles, etc. and thought I was having fun out in the blizzards. Then I discovered the south and now only go back home once a year to visit family during the summer time :)
 
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John's video was quite helpful. I too lost a detent ball in the grass and did some searching. What suprised me was how heavy the seat was. Had to be close to 60-70 pounds.
 
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I neutered mine a long time ago after I inadvertently knocked it into detent while working(more then once) & oveheated my pump. I do have a PTO log splitter now, and a bungee holding the valve open workes like a charm. I really think those detents can cause more trouble than they're worth & I bet a few Hydro pumps have burned up because of them. Nice job on the video too........!
 
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I'm getting ready to do this same minor surgery on my DK50SE. One question. Are you saying to (a) hold the thin inner nut with a wrench (so it doesn't turn) while you loosen the outer nut, or (b) just loosen and remove the inner nut and leave the outer nut attached to it??
 
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Hi Pappy. Mine came out as a single assembly. My guess is the outer "nut" is just pressed in or something as it had little effect, but did finally loosen the whole assy., which came out as a single piece, including the inner nut. Kind of a strange design to me and I have no idea why it is made in this fashion. Maybe the outer nut is just an extension of the inner nut in some manner, to make it easier to get a wrench on. No clue... If I had it to do over, I would try and loosen the assembly using the inner nut first, instead of the outer nut.

Let us know your results so any future users of this thread will have your take on it also.
 
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sdef, thanks for the info. That's what I thought you meant, but wanted to make sure.

I'll report back here when I do it. Will try to remember to take pics of the process too, although I usually get focused on the project and forget to take pics until it's done.

I bought a used Gannon box blade with hydraulic scarifiers. I'm already using one set of remotes for my grapple and I want to hook the box blade up to the other set, but I don't want the detent in it. As scatter-brained as I can be sometimes, I don't want to risk putting it in detent and leaving it there. So, that's the reason for the surgery.
 
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sdef, thanks for the info. That's what I thought you meant, but wanted to make sure.

I'll report back here when I do it. Will try to remember to take pics of the process too, although I usually get focused on the project and forget to take pics until it's done.

Yeah, me too.

You will enjoy the use of that remote far more without the detent. The Kioti detent, in my experience, is only good for something that needs continuous flow, such as a dedicated log splitter or such. Otherwise it was just a painful experience for me and really interfered with my TNT operation.
 

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