Regeneration Mode

   / Regeneration Mode #61  
We have had a M126GX since mid December. It now has 170hrs and several regens. With double digit highs averaged 22hrs or more between regens. With double digit lows we are averaging 15 to 17 hours between regens. Setting the idle at 1350 rpm after oil pressure light went out helped. When regen starts we just set it at pto speed and continue with chores
 
   / Regeneration Mode #62  
My experience with our big trucks is that SCR/DEF is an improvement over having just the DPF muffler alone. Reduced our issues to zero in the summer.
But if Kubota adds it to their small tractors, I hope they have a better DEF fluid heater than our Freightliner/Western Stars with Cummins and Detroit power, because any days colder than minus 25*C and my trucks trigger the check engine lights and go into derate because the heaters won't keep the DEF thawed. Then you have to go to the dealer and have it plugged into, to reset.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #63  
I just gained a whole new appreciation for my 2001 model 2910.

Wow !!!!!!! Sure glad I didn't go one size bigger when I bought the 2650 . I can see older tractor prices climbing higher and higher .
 
   / Regeneration Mode #64  
First Regen last night at 20.7 hours. It works just like my truck I was just about done working when it went into regen. 10 minutes later it was done.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #65  
Me too! Glad I bought a 2620 that doesn't have all that EPA mandated "stuff".

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   / Regeneration Mode #66  
It is not a greatly significant adder for them because those tractors already got the DPF with interim Tier 4. There is some wiggle room allowed. If a company builds with engines cleaner than required, they can continue to produce polluters for a certain time frame.

it will be a significant price increase. M9960 to M5.105 (I think) is approx. 15% price bump.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #67  
it will be a significant price increase. M9960 to M5.105 (I think) is approx. 15% price bump.
But the M5.111 gets a lot more added than just DEF. The śpecs I have on the M5-91 and M5-111 advertise larger cabs. Emissions primary hitters are CRFS and DPF which the 9960 already has. The specs I have on the M5 and M6 talk about upgrades other than just adding DEF. Whatever takes the place of a M108S will see the largest increase.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #68  
But the M5.111 gets a lot more added than just DEF. The śpecs I have on the M5-91 and M5-111 advertise larger cabs. Emissions primary hitters are CRFS and DPF which the 9960 already has. The specs I have on the M5 and M6 talk about upgrades other than just adding DEF. Whatever takes the place of a M108S will see the largest increase.

MHarryE, since you seem to be well in the know on this EPA emissions tiering, is there a date at which all these emissions requirements will apply to under 26 hp engines? Sure hope not. I already feel that any future trade ups will be limited to 26 hp or less to avoid both the added cost and complexity. Thank you EPA.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #70  
MHarryE, since you seem to be well in the know on this EPA emissions tiering, is there a date at which all these emissions requirements will apply to under 26 hp engines? Sure hope not. I already feel that any future trade ups will be limited to 26 hp or less to avoid both the added cost and complexity. Thank you EPA.[/

Actually the EU his developing additional standards tentatively referred to as Tier 5. Test results one that Tier 4 final (and I am referring to them under US terminology, not EU terminology) have allowed very fine particles to be emitted. Stage 5 is being discussed with the engine manufacturers as to how new targets can be met with tentative target date of 2019. Engine manufacturers are talking to the EPA about developing similar standard with similar implementation dates because they want to reduce the number of engine versions they need to build. It is very complicated and takes a lot if time. Before the regulations are introduced they need to determine what is feasible. Then the companies - they could always build an engine that meets the cleanest spec but fuels in different countries aren't always compatible. Price penalty - tractors are price sensitive. So there is no one type fits all, but the manufacturers would like to have all the most. The technologically advanced countries - USA, Western Europe, Japan, Canada, Australia, & New Zealand for example, use a common engine. The word in the industry is nothing until 2019 but then you might not see any size diesel without a DPF. Smaller engines may be effected more than larger engines. All subject to change.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #72  
Any updates? Or anybody found a way to take the stuff off?
 
   / Regeneration Mode #73  
I can provide a personal update. Last summer I purchased an L3301. I had my first regen at 20.1 hours which seemed a little soon (regen seemed to take an excessive amountof time - my opinion). Based on some of the literature I was reading, I decided to change my operational proceedures. The first change I made was to not oerate under 2K rpm for general tractor work. When using implements requiring the PTO I ran at the recommended PTO rpm. Additionally, at temperatures less than 32 F, I made sure the block heater was plugged in and on for at least an hour before startup (where I live we routinely drop below 0 F in the winter). The net result was my second regen occurred at 52.8 hours and lasted less than 10 minutes. I was working at the time and I was able to carry on as though nothing was happening (although you can feel the increase in the amount of heat being generated and there is a slightly different smell to the exhaust).

I know this a really small data set and need more regens to have a better indication as to the conditions that trigger more or fewer of them. My general observations (opinion) are that the sooner the engine can get to an optimal operating temperature, the more time between regens, and that a blockheater in cooler temps can improve on the duration between rengens.

Mike
 
   / Regeneration Mode #74  
Don't know about taking the "stuff" off but found out today talking to the guys prepping my 3350 that Kubota had reworked/replaced the air intake horn. It used to run over the top of the rad and take air from just behind the grill. This past winter with all the snow we had, many of the air filters became plugged with ice which in turn caused the dpf to fail. They have now issued new air horns that draw air just by the top of the rad. Also, they have updated the dpf and some computer programming . Also, the first issue of the 3350 dpf required the op to push the auto button every time they started the machine. At some point that was changed so that the op just have to start it and it is already on auto. The current manual says to refrain from idling as the temps drop in the exhaust which causes more particles to form in the dpf. Hopefully I won't have too/any problems. Guess I am taking a chance that Kubota has got their act together. This will be my 6th tractor!
 
   / Regeneration Mode #75  
As a follow up to my previous comments....I just took dely of my almost new 3350 and found that the sticker on the left back cab support says to push or turn on the "auto" regen button after starting the machine and work it as usual. The sticker goes on to note how to handle the various options to handle engine temp, parking regen and so forth. This contradicts the current manual so I am going to follow the sticker in the cab. We'll see what happens and how it goes. My first impression is that the 3350 has a bunch more fel hydro power. Guess the 7 horses make a difference. Of course, now that I have a cab it won't snow next winter!
 
   / Regeneration Mode #76  
So I have a new L3301 tractor and had my first regen today at 21.7 hrs,it took about 11 minutes and I totally couldn't tell anything different except a different smell to the exhaust
I played trying to learn a little by seeing what others have said here
1 it did not rev up by itself,I was running at 2000 rpm already and was able to idle down
2 It did not lower the power of the tractor at all
This is just my evaluation of my first regen and it went flawless and just like my owners manual said it would
I have the same new tractors at home and at work so I look foward to seeing how it goes on my home tractor
 
   / Regeneration Mode #77  
So I have a new L3301 tractor and had my first regen today at 21.7 hrs,it took about 11 minutes and I totally couldn't tell anything different except a different smell to the exhaust
I played trying to learn a little by seeing what others have said here
1 it did not rev up by itself,I was running at 2000 rpm already and was able to idle down
2 It did not lower the power of the tractor at all
This is just my evaluation of my first regen and it went flawless and just like my owners manual said it would
I have the same new tractors at home and at work so I look foward to seeing how it goes on my home tractor
 
   / Regeneration Mode #78  
I am not sure how the regen compares between a small and a large tractor but in the Nebraska Tractor Teśt of the M135GX it is reported that they measured a 3% power drop during active regen. In my experience I so not believe anyone could determine that small power loss without a dynamometer. It is too small to perceive. My tractor also makes a slightly different exhaust sound during regen. It isn't perceived as louder - just a little "crackle" in the exhaust note.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #79  
I can feel the power drop on my L4701F and there is a different exhaust note.
 
   / Regeneration Mode #80  
On my 3350 I don't really feel any change in power. The exhaust temperature is a lot hotter. At +5 it took almost 25 minutes even with the winter front on. Most of that time was getting up to temp.
 

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