Rebuilding Branson 4720h Kukje A2300. What I have learned so far.

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Bob Nelson

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Branson 2400h, New Holland TC33d, Ford 1720, Kubota BX2350d
My newly acquired Branson 4720h has been smoking at startup and then just a bit if running at mid to higher rpms.

I spoke with the Branson dealer and he thought it might be injectors. So, I tested them and did a compression check. One bad injector, one bad glow plug and the following cylinder compression readings: 1-360, 2-280, 3-360, 4-410 psi. I spoke with the dealership and they said they stock the rings.

Any idea or suggestions before I pull the oil pan?

Thanks.
 
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On spark ignition engines you can squirt a bit of oil into each cylinder and do the test again. The oil helps seal rings that aren't sealing well. So if the compression goes up you know it's the rings. If not it could be a leaking head gasket or valves.

I don't know if the oil trick is ok for diesels- wouldn't want the engine to run away on you. Hopefully someone else knows.
 
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On spark ignition engines you can squirt a bit of oil into each cylinder and do the test again. The oil helps seal rings that aren't sealing well. So if the compression goes up you know it's the rings. If not it could be a leaking head gasket or valves.

I don't know if the oil trick is ok for diesels- wouldn't want the engine to run away on you. Hopefully someone else knows.
Yes. I am not sure as well. I did put in about 12 drops of 3 in 1 oil. Perhaps not enough or too thin?
 
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I would pull the valve cover to confirm valves are adjusted properly and or lifters are working properly.
 
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So, I went back outside and acutally squirted a decent amount of oil in the engine. The compression went up a good 20 PSI. So, it seems clear that the issue must be rings/pistons.
 
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20 psi is not a huge increase. It could be stuck rings. They get stuck in the piston by deposits of partly burned oil and fuel. Then the pressure in the chamber can't get behind the ring to push it out against the cylinder wall to make a good seal. I've found that running good quality oil like Delo 400 may actually unstick the rings. Was the 280 psi in the cylinder with the bad injector? If so, the injector could cause higher deposits with a straight-stream spray pattern which causes high soot production.

I also agree that you should check the valve lash.
 
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20 psi is not a huge increase. It could be stuck rings. They get stuck in the piston by deposits of partly burned oil and fuel. Then the pressure in the chamber can't get behind the ring to push it out against the cylinder wall to make a good seal. I've found that running good quality oil like Delo 400 may actually unstick the rings. Was the 280 psi in the cylinder with the bad injector? If so, the injector could cause higher deposits with a straight-stream spray pattern which causes high soot production.

I also agree that you should check the valve lash.
Sorry for the late reply.
The bad injector was in the better cylinder (360psi). Any thoughts on using an engine flush and then changing the oil again? I put 5-30 synthetic in it after the oil change.
 
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So, here I am updating what I have found out so far. Tractor has 2,908 hours. Trans, etc are fine and don't leak.

1) 1 bad injector
2) 1 bad glow plug
3) broken compression ring on #2 and bad overall condition of the piston and other rings
4) cracked cylinder head on #2 between the intake and exhaust valves
5) All intake valves damaged beyond use. Pounded to the point where they have a neck and sharp edge.
6) springs seem weak as I am easily able to push on the springs and open them about 1/4 inch with my unassisted hands. Retainers look fine.

Searching for parts took a looooong time. Most places did not have what I needed and the prices ($1,200 for a set of rings. Insane pricing. No typo there. I contacted 2 different dealerships), etc.

I did my research and found out that this engine was designed and licensed to Kukje by Cummins. So, there is one major design change in 2004 (mine's a 2011) where the engine went from sleeved to bored in block. The later engines are said to be more durable and run cooler. Many skid steers and other construction equipment use this Cummins engine.

I decided to contact one of the Chinese companies advertising on Ebay. They were incredibly responsive measuring the pistons, etc. I purchased the rebuild kit including pistons, rings, bearings, gaskets, for $500 or about 1/5 the price from Branson, and that is IF you could get parts timely. They company in China also told me they would throw in a set of intake/exhaust valves, guides and seals for no cost.

The shipment was partly delayed due to the communist lockdown of the country, but arrived last week. I was out of town and when I opened the package the parts are excellent! Well packaged and have a brand that says "Mustang" on them.

In examining the parts I find them precise. Identical. I also found out the head gasket has a few orifices that the orig gasket did not and in examining the head find that the orig head gasket SHOULD have had holes there for water flow. So, perhaps Branson engine builders did not use the correct gaskets originally?

The block needed honing and the ridge removed, but looks good spec wise. The rod bearings do have wear and you can see the copper coming through. The crankshaft is excellent. The rocker shaft and rocker arms and push rods are within specs as well.

It seems clear that the engine overheated. My guess is poor maintenance and lots of starting fluid. Even the combustion chamber on #2 looks pitted and partly melted.

There was no issue with oil pressure, so though I will pull a main bearing, I believe they are going to be OK. I may replace #s 2,3,4. But replacing #1,5 require much more work as you need to remove the lower block skirt.

Since repairing cast iron properly is a LOT of work to do correctly, I am just buying a dressed head. From China as well. I will post photos later today or tomorrow.
 
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I have seen OEM head gaskets that block off what look like they could be water passages in other engines. I don't think the engineers would miss something that simple or that it would be a production error. I think it's to correct the coolant flow.
 

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