Really need your advice whether my daughters car is safe to drive or not as she needs to return to school later this morning

[Vinnnie]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS A TRACTOR SITE!!!!

 

[BillyB196]

All,

This is a safety question on whether my daughters car [2018 Jeep Wrangler] is safe to drive back to school.at noon today or not? The drive is 160 miles.

The check-engine light came on Saturday morning [2/10/24]. I was able to get the jeep into a shop to run the error codes. These are the error codes:
-P0507: Idle speed performance higher than expected
-P2173: High airflow/vacuum leak detected

She just got the jeep out of the dealer service department on Friday, 2/9/24 which they stated they had to fix the electronic throttle control.

Questions:

She has to go back to school today and the drive is 160 miles. Is it safe to drive that far? If not, what could be the issues?
Did the "repair" the dealer made have anything to possibly cause this error on their behalf in not properly fixing the jeep?

My wife and I are contemplating either driving her or driving behind her so if anything happens, we could be there. The outfit that ran the error codes yesterday stated that the 2 error codes would not inhibit her driving, but I just want to be really sure, for all the obvious reasons..she's 19 yrs old..

I would really appreciate your timely & candid feedback on this matter.

Thank you very much !!!

I would either drive her, or let her take mine, and then deal with the vehicle.

 

[deserteagle71]

If this were my daughter I'd get rid of the Jeep and put her in a Toyota 4Runner. Still a rugged off-road vehicle but also one of the most dependable vehicles on the road.

I'm not a Jeep hater; I've owned one for many years and still own a 2006 Rubicon. But the newer Jeeps are very problematic.

Let us know how the Bronco Sport works out as far as reliability.

 

[boatmoter]

All,

This is a safety question on whether my daughters car [2018 Jeep Wrangler] is safe to drive back to school.at noon today or not? The drive is 160 miles.

The check-engine light came on Saturday morning [2/10/24]. I was able to get the jeep into a shop to run the error codes. These are the error codes:
-P0507: Idle speed performance higher than expected
-P2173: High airflow/vacuum leak detected

She just got the jeep out of the dealer service department on Friday, 2/9/24 which they stated they had to fix the electronic throttle control.

Questions:

She has to go back to school today and the drive is 160 miles. Is it safe to drive that far? If not, what could be the issues?
Did the "repair" the dealer made have anything to possibly cause this error on their behalf in not properly fixing the jeep?

My wife and I are contemplating either driving her or driving behind her so if anything happens, we could be there. The outfit that ran the error codes yesterday stated that the 2 error codes would not inhibit her driving, but I just want to be really sure, for all the obvious reasons..she's 19 yrs old..

I would really appreciate your timely & candid feedback on this matter.

Thank you very much !!!

the -P0507: Idle speed performance higher than expected
-P2173: High airflow/vacuum leak detected are most likely related, you will get a higher idle with a vacuum leak. I would have a shop do a smoke test to find out where the vacuum leak is and go from there. I would not trust it,the throttle could go wide open if there's a defect in the throttle control system or it could not get off idle. I would take it to another dealer or a reputable repair shop,(not a chain store)

 

[NoTrespassing]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS A TRACTOR SITE!!!!

All caps probably weren't necessary. If you look around, you'll find that this site is much more than simply a "a tractor site".

 

[mediplt]

Well since I had a 19 year old daughter once and the world has gotten a lot scarier since then, I would driver her to school, get the car fixed and deliver it to her later.

 

[dodge man]

Hey, maybe he could get her a Bronco! Go back a few posts and that’s what the OP did.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Hey, maybe he could get her a Bronco! Go back a few posts and that’s what the OP did.

Close, Bronco Sport though.

 

[tradosaurus]

UPDATE #2: Hopefully the last one

The car repair shop in Katy Tx, the codes came back as a vacuum leak. They stated that there was a tear/leak in the hose near the PCV. You guys called it !!!! They ran a complete diagnosis on it w their computer and this seems to be the sole area of failure.

They said they had to order OEM/Dealer parts and was about a 2-3 hr wait. Stated with diagnostics, parts and labor, about $252 drive out. To get my daughter back to school safely, that's a pretty fair price to me.

I am still wrestling with the Jeep Dealership in her college town, and they are stating they have no record of her paid invoice or anything ?? My daughter paid cash to get our car last friday 2/9/24 at noon, so I am going to look into "who did what" and get to the bottom of it. She did not receive a typical service type invoice that shows parts, labor, etc, but rather a receipt print out as if you bought take out food.

Lessons learned:

-buy a good code diagnostic reader [any recommendations?]
-look at how to infuse smoke into closed systems to discern leaks in hoses/other
-have my daughter ask for more specifics on invoices and to always put your car invoices into an envelop that is stored in glove compartment. [does anyone store gloves in this area, or is this from Henry Ford's days] ;-}

I will post back after she makes the trip back to school and provide the results. Thanks again to everyone and safe travels to you and your family. best, tstex

Not surprising a repair shop would take advantage of a young woman. Wouldn't be surprised if her car wasn't sabotage to create more work.

The only time I recall taking a car to a dealership is warranty work.

I would ditch that jeep and get your daughter a Toyota.

 

[tstex]

Thanks to all - First, yes this "was" purely a tractor site some time ago, but the expertise and experience on these boards goes way further than just tractors.

Next, "so far" [and knock on wood], the Bronco Sport she really likes. It drives much, much smoother and doesn't bounce around like the jeep did. The bronco has 4 doors and has a back storage area that is considerably more room than the Jeep. One of the greatest improvements is gas millage. She was getting 14-15mpg/hwy...this Bronco gets 26+ hwy, so this is getting 10mpg+ better. She also has a dog and the dog "likes the much smoother ride too". She never did any off-rd-4-wheel type driving. We had an extended waranty on it and service plan, yet things continued to break.

Thanks again to all,
tstex

 

[wyatt1963]

All,

This is a safety question on whether my daughters car [2018 Jeep Wrangler] is safe to drive back to school.at noon today or not? The drive is 160 miles.

The check-engine light came on Saturday morning [2/10/24]. I was able to get the jeep into a shop to run the error codes. These are the error codes:
-P0507: Idle speed performance higher than expected
-P2173: High airflow/vacuum leak detected

She just got the jeep out of the dealer service department on Friday, 2/9/24 which they stated they had to fix the electronic throttle control.

Questions:

She has to go back to school today and the drive is 160 miles. Is it safe to drive that far? If not, what could be the issues?
Did the "repair" the dealer made have anything to possibly cause this error on their behalf in not properly fixing the jeep?

My wife and I are contemplating either driving her or driving behind her so if anything happens, we could be there. The outfit that ran the error codes yesterday stated that the 2 error codes would not inhibit her driving, but I just want to be really sure, for all the obvious reasons..she's 19 yrs old..

I would really appreciate your timely & candid feedback on this matter.

Thank you very much !!!

I don't claim to be an expert at anything, but I have three daughters and two of the five vehicles we have on the road have had multiple lights, including check engine lights ON for quite some time. I say check the oil and coolant, if it's good, let'er rip. Just tell your daughter to keep an eye on the gages and if anything gets out of range, particularly the temperature, shut her down and call the old man. There was a time when we didn't have all those fancy lights and computer modules complicating things. Obviously there are pros and cons to modern technology. At the end of the day, the two thing that are most likely to cause irreparable damage are lack of coolant and/or motor oil, all the rest might leave you broke down on the side of the road, but not as likely to make you wish you'd done something different.

 

[Jstpssng]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS A TRACTOR SITE!!!!

It is. He had to take time out from tractoring to rescue his daughter.

Actually, he asked here because he knew he would get reasonable answers along with the chaff.

I'm the chaff.


In case anyone missed it, the OP traded the Jeep for something dependable.

 

[ning]

Unless she bought the vehicle last weekend, then there was a reason why it was taken to the dealership in the first place.

Get your ducks in a row. Then once the issue is resolved, post a review of both shops on every review website you can find. And start hunting for a new service place near where your daughter is.

Unfortunately there has been a long held belief that women get shafted with everything to do with cars and car maintenance. And a young 18 to 25 year old likely would be considered the perfect mark.

Get at least a cheap OBDII reader at each location you have a vehicle.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005NLQAHS/

I have one of these in each of our family's vehicles - put it in the glove box or door pocket, wherever you keep a flashlight. Bought the first one in 2016, and then one of the kids needed one 500 miles away and I realized having one at home wasn't the greatest idea and got the rest of them.

No point in it being at home; if something lights up I want to be able to pull over, plug it in and get a reading right then and there.

I haven't used them all (other than to verify they work), but they're all ready to be used.

 

[EdwardSkinner]

Thanks to all.

The jeep made it safely back to school w no issues. The shop in Katy Tx did a great, fair & honest job.

We are not using the dealership at school anymore. We had an extended dealer warranty that ended last fall, so she continued to use the dealer. Has been completely maintained by dealer so any failures sure are not from lack of maintenance, or crazy off rd excursions. Mainly interstate driving to & from hm
and nborhood shopping at school.

This dealership has a brand new service Mgr so maybe he’s there to clean house. They have absolutely no record of any transactions of her being there, no service done snd no payment record. Something is real fishy here and I’m going to get to the bottom of it!

Glad to hear that everything ended well for you and without problems. I still can't understand why the dealership was so careless, it's a complete mess! How is it that after all these repairs, inspections and maintenance, no one can give an accurate answer? What kind of service is this where new problems appear after the ‘repair’? And even now it seems that all actions are recorded on computers, even those that are not really necessary. I just don't understand how they could be so careless about your safety. Some kind of very muddy scheme is emerging. You should consider contacting a consumer protection agency or even an attorney. Now it turns out they are just stamping out papers and sending us on the road with a faulty car? Action must be taken and accountability must be demanded! Some things just don't add up, and I think your frustration is absolutely justified.

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I wouldn't really like to send my children to school far from home. Moreover https://ca.edubirdie.com/assignment-writing-services is accessible from anywhere. You can always get assignment help online and not have to travel anywhere.

 

[duke7595]

Not a big deal, however, if the engine light blinks off and on then that is a problem. Have you checked all vaccum hoses? Have you conducted a smoke test? If the smoke gets sucked in especially around the intake, the intake gaskets need to be replaced.This is a common problem for these and other make vehicles. Hope it helps.

 

[dscearce]

It really shouldn’t be any question! If you have any doubts at all about the vehicle I’d be driving my daughter back to school an making sure the jeep was fixed correctly afterwards! That way you can assure she makes it back to school safely with no issues! You never know this day an time anything can happen.

 

[tstex]

It really shouldn’t be any question! If you have any doubts at all about the vehicle I’d be driving my daughter back to school an making sure the jeep was fixed correctly afterwards! That way you can assure she makes it back to school safely with no issues! You never know this day an time anything can happen.

Thank for your feedback, I agree. For those that may have not read the final update, when the Jeep cratered on her way back, we picked her up and I took it to a credible place that was referred to me. They positively ID'ed the problem, but I followed behind her the first 50 miles to make sure it was a good, which it was...I still stayed in the 50 mi zone and was able to track her movement and see that she was making it back to school, which she did. She also came back the following weekend and we traded in the jeep for a 2024 Bronco, which she [and her dog] love the ride and the much better gas millage. thanks again

 

[lacritz]

My wife and I bouth jeep libertys. No heat in either. Wifes 2011 will cost $1000 to take the dash apart. The parts needed is around a $100. Dash board lights stay on. Tires wear on just one side. Dodge makes jeeps now, they are junk.

 

[big bubba]

sure are a lot of new ones on the road now despite reputation.

 

[deserteagle71]

My wife and I bouth jeep libertys. No heat in either. Wifes 2011 will cost $1000 to take the dash apart. The parts needed is around a $100. Dash board lights stay on. Tires wear on just one side. Dodge makes jeeps now, they are junk.

On the other hand...have a friend who bought a Jeep Liberty, I think about 2007, with the diesel they put in it at the time. Well over 100,000 miles on it now, pretty much trouble-free. She really loves it.