Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect

   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #11  
a) ending up with two homes on two acres could be hard to resell later unless your neighborhood is such that you could subdivide your 2 acres into two tracts and the resulting two properties would be appealing and more valuable to buyers in your market. However, you don't want to spend money building or adding something that ends up costing you money or makes it harder to resell what you already have. That is, if buyers in your market expect to see a home on at least 2 acres and now you're trying to sell two homes each on 1 acre, that might not be good. It depends on what you have and what your local market is.

If you really want 5 acres, there's no way to turn 2 acres into 5 acres unless those 2 acres are very valuable and can be sold to buy 5 acres somewhere else. Whatever you do, you don't want to do something now that ties your hands later and actually prevents you from getting where you want to be.

b) Generally, I suspect what you feel is 2 adults + 3 older children in 1,300 SF is just too tight.

My wife's parents raised a son and two daughters in a house about the size of yours on roughly the same acres. We kid about it, but my mother in law has a reputation for keeping her house just so and isn't reluctant to get rid of any clutter. After the children moved out, the house was big enough for my wife's parents, and my mother in law continues to live there after my father in law passed.

Some possible strategies are to decrease clutter, and consider adding to or rearranging the space you already have to make it more useable. However, if you just know you aren't going to stay there, also consider whether the same money could be better spent on paint, flooring, and kitchen updates to make your home more appealing for resale. It depends on what you have and what your local market is.

c) one bad tenant can really set you back if they quit paying rent, trash your house, and meanwhile you have to keep paying the mortgage while you go to court to kick them out. Managing tenants requires a certain set of skills and there is risk if you don't screen out the bad ones.

d) presumably your Mom would sell something at a favorable price and you wouldn't incur a realtor's fee. I don't know your family circumstances. Could be that your Mom may need your help in her older years and being close by would help? Can't speak to the schools issue except to say some schools are good and some schools you don't want your kids to go near. If you just want 5 acres, maybe your Mom would sell them to you, and you don't necessarily have to live there if you're mainly interested in the land.

One thing you may not want is for your Mom to think you aren't interested and then she sells it to someone else.
 
   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #12  
Buyer's agents are not new at all (at least 40+ years). Some states have rules that dictate that all realtors technically work for the seller (since the seller is paying them). In those cases there are limits as to what the realtor may point out to the buyer (legally and ethically).

Normally there is an even split of the commission between agents when the buyer uses their own. Some agents will give the seller a break if they get both ends. Lots of variation. Used to be 6% was standard, but markets dictate wide swings.
 
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"One thing you may not want is for your Mom to think you aren't interested and then she sells it to someone else."

She sold off 28 acres about a year ago, and I was really tempted. I just don't like the whole business-family thing. As the buyer, you want to offer the bare minimum to get something; as a family member you want them to get a fair price; also family very well might want to offer you a better price, even when they could really use the money. I "think" she's still sitting on roughly 32 acres, and maybe I should ask if she would ever want to divide it again...
 
   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #14  
"One thing you may not want is for your Mom to think you aren't interested and then she sells it to someone else."

She sold off 28 acres about a year ago, and I was really tempted. I just don't like the whole business-family thing. As the buyer, you want to offer the bare minimum to get something; as a family member you want them to get a fair price; also family very well might want to offer you a better price, even when they could really use the money. I "think" she's still sitting on roughly 32 acres, and maybe I should ask if she would ever want to divide it again...
If your mom is selling off bits and you want to buy land in your area, this sounds like a good avenue to pursue. If you agree to a price, it could be a win-win for everyone.
 
   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #15  
If your mom is selling off bits and you want to buy land in your area, this sounds like a good avenue to pursue. If you agree to a price, it could be a win-win for everyone.
Mom could sell it to you without a realtor and she could save the commission.

Everyone's different, but if one of my kids wanted to buy some of our land, I'd definitely give them a family discount.
 
   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #16  
I'd bet your Mom wouldn't want to sell to anyone else if she only knew you were interested. If her property gets listed for sale, then you are competing against anybody and everybody. Your Mom probably cares more for you than whatever money she might get from selling her property.

I don't know your Mom's situation or health, but the day could come when she might really need you nearby to take care of her and help her stay in her own home as long as possible. It's not good for you or for her if she needs you close by, but you end up somewhere else because you guys didn't discuss things.

And besides that, it could be that it would be better for her and for you if you were making payments to her instead of to some mortgage company.
 
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   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #17  
Way back in 1995 my wife and I were looking for land. She thought 5 acres would be plenty, while I wanted 10 minimum. We argued about this until we were shown a square 5 acre meadow. Then it was 10 acres minimum. We bought a 10 acre parcel. It had a bunch of trash on it, 95 tires, several cars, and a condemmed cabin. I hauled off 12 tons of scrap metal. The cabin we had burned by the local fire department as a practice burn. All the crap was only on about 1/3 of an acre, the rest was wooded and trash free. We were poor at the time and we were able to get more land because we could and did haul off all that junk. I suggest you get as much land as possible. Maybe sweat equity could pay off for you like it did for us. We sometimes wish we had 20 acres but we now have a beautiful chunk of land and a beautiful house, a wonderful home that we plan to die in.
Eric
 
   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #18  
I used to flip houses and I got to know quite a few local realtors. In my opinion, the majority of them are worthless. They will say anything to their clients to get them to buy a place that they know nothing about. They will agree to anything to get you to sign a contract to list your place. Very few will tell you upfront what's wrong with your place, or talk you out of buying a property. I'm still amazed at how many people I know of Facebook that have bounced from job to job over the years will become Real Estate Agents, and then start posting how they are experts in a certain aspect of Real Estate all of a sudden. Most are lucky if they sell a couple houses a year.

If you decide to hire somebody, be sure to do some research beforehand. Do not hire a friend or family member, or somebodies spouse that needs the work. Hire somebody that has been doing this for a number of years, and somebody that closed dozens of homes every year. The good ones are doing a house a week. They will have a team, which could be good or bad, but when they sell that many homes, they know what they are doing. Don't be upset if they tell you something you don't want to hear.

If it was me, I would search online to see what's out there. If something interests you, I would call the listing agent and schedule a time to look at the land. Then I would check out that agents website, see how many listings they have and how long they have been doing this. Legally, the agent has to represent the property owner, but they also know more about that listing then any other agent, and you might find it worthwhile to work with that agent to get it done. Twice the commission is a big motivating factor in getting a property sold!!!

When I have a client that wants to sell or buy a place, I give them a few names to consider, but I also tell them to talk to at leave five different agents before committing to one of them. More is even better. Just be sure to NOT hire anybody until you have talked to all of them. Most rely on being friendly and super nice when meeting you to get hired, but that's not what you want. You're not looking for a friend, you need somebody to do a job for you.

And lastly, never fall in love with a property until you actually own it. If it doesn't happen, there is always another one that will come up that's even better.
 
   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #19  
I hate dealing with relators. Hate it.

Just try to tell one to submit a bid lower than asking. They get all sweaty and nervous that they will be excluded from the cool kids club.

I finally figured, I will just get a license and do my own procurement of investment properties.

I have been pissing off selling agents with low bids ever since. I bid what it's worth and amazingly 90% of the time they take it. I have saved hundreds of thousands getting out from under the RE agent drama.
 
   / Real Estate agents/offers/financing ect #20  
Everyone's different, but if one of my kids wanted to buy some of our land, I'd definitely give them a family discount.

"Family discount" can be a big variation. I've 3 son's and a daughter.
One son wanted to move into a house I was renting, this was about 2010. I didn't really want to sell but offered to sell it to him at about a 20% discount, no realtor fee. He thought he should have gotten a much bigger discount. At the time that house was my main asset and I was looking forward to it appreciating and I wanted to be able to be fair to the other three children.
He's lived there ever since "renting" and maintaining the property, with me paying for major repairs. Sometimes he pays the taxes, sometimes I do.
Meanwhile the property has gone from an assesment of ~$250K to about $650K in the 14 years (good area).
I would think it extremely unfair to have given one of my children a significant "family discount" while I couldn't at about the same time offered it to all.
 

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