I have ordered a new L2800 and the dealer has been trying to pursuade me over to an in stock L3400 for $1,100.00 more. I am going with standard shift, and 4wd. He was telling me that the L3400 has the 2-stage clutch with a live PTO w/o overrunning clutch. The L2800 is a single stage clutch with trans driven PTO with overrunning clutch. My question is why is such a big deal made about the two different PTO' s that I just mentioned? All I will be doing is pulling a 6' finish mower,using the FEL and a post hole digger. I realize that the older tractors needed the external PTO overrun clutch added to them but, since the L2800 has it built-in, what would the big difference be? I need some understanding on the differences between the two clutches and the two pto's. Thanks for your time,LB
PTO & clutch differences on L2800 vs L3400?
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smittyd3
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Well, I had a 140 Farmall without a live PTO for 23 years. When you press the clutch in the PTO will stop. When I was rotary mowing there were times I needed alive PTO.
I have a L3130 now and it's so nice to have a PTO that doesn't stop when the clutch is pressed in. I can back up and cut under most of a wheel chair ramp without having to stop put it in neutral and let out on the clutch to get the mower started back.
The post hole digger would make me want a live PTO.
The L3400 has 34.7 gross hp. which is another plus.
Usually I try to keep a tractor awhile. If it were me I would get the live PTO.
The resale value is better on a live PTO tractor.
Smitty
I have a L3130 now and it's so nice to have a PTO that doesn't stop when the clutch is pressed in. I can back up and cut under most of a wheel chair ramp without having to stop put it in neutral and let out on the clutch to get the mower started back.
The post hole digger would make me want a live PTO.
The L3400 has 34.7 gross hp. which is another plus.
Usually I try to keep a tractor awhile. If it were me I would get the live PTO.
The resale value is better on a live PTO tractor.
Smitty
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have ordered a new L2800 and the dealer has been trying to pursuade me over to an in stock L3400 for $1,100.00 more. I am going with standard shift, and 4wd. He was telling me that the L3400 has the 2-stage clutch with a live PTO w/o overrunning clutch. The L2800 is a single stage clutch with trans driven PTO with overrunning clutch. My question is why is such a big deal made about the two different PTO' s that I just mentioned? All I will be doing is pulling a 6' finish mower,using the FEL and a post hole digger. I realize that the older tractors needed the external PTO overrun clutch added to them but, since the L2800 has it built-in, what would the big difference be? I need some understanding on the differences between the two clutches and the two pto's. Thanks for your time,LB)</font>
The overrunning clutch addresses the safety issue of the PTO attachment driving the tractor when the clutch is depressed. That's important, but it doesn't do anything to help the problem of the PTO stopping every time you want to stop, reverse, or change gear. If you plan to mow, I think you'd be much happier with a live or independent PTO. It's possible to mow without one, and people have done so for many years, but when buying a new tractor you're in a good position to avoid the problem.
(Plus, an in-stock tractor means getting in the driver's seat sooner!)
The overrunning clutch addresses the safety issue of the PTO attachment driving the tractor when the clutch is depressed. That's important, but it doesn't do anything to help the problem of the PTO stopping every time you want to stop, reverse, or change gear. If you plan to mow, I think you'd be much happier with a live or independent PTO. It's possible to mow without one, and people have done so for many years, but when buying a new tractor you're in a good position to avoid the problem.
(Plus, an in-stock tractor means getting in the driver's seat sooner!)
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Your dealer's trying to do you a favor, bota. If you can afford the L3400 go with it. Managing PTO driven implements will be much easier for the reasons smitty and chatcher gave. Either the extra HP or the live PTO would be worth the additional $1100 in my book. You'll be getting both plus a quicker delivery.
The old L2800 style PTO is certainly workable; but once you've used live PTO, you'd never want to go back.
FWIW
Bob
The old L2800 style PTO is certainly workable; but once you've used live PTO, you'd never want to go back.
FWIW
Bob
Thanks for everyone's advice. I called the dealer to see if the offer was still valid and he said that he sold the L3400 this Friday and it was picked up Sat morning! /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif I also asked him to go over the deal that we had worked out over the L2800 and it was confirmed as follows: New 2005 L2800 4wd,std shift,foldable ROPS,R-4 Industrial tires and a Kubota front bumper installed for $11,449.00 out the door tax included.
As for the L3400 deal, it was $1,100.00 more as I stated before. It would have been $12,549.00 PLUS tax(7%) for a grand total of $13,427.43. So with tax, it was roughly $2,000.00 more than the L2800 package. For that much more, I will stick with my L2800 order I guess. I appreciate everyone's thoughts although. I am trying to get him to sell me the LA463 FEL for my tractor at $2,995.00 but so far he only offered it at $3,390.00. Thanks again,LB /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
As for the L3400 deal, it was $1,100.00 more as I stated before. It would have been $12,549.00 PLUS tax(7%) for a grand total of $13,427.43. So with tax, it was roughly $2,000.00 more than the L2800 package. For that much more, I will stick with my L2800 order I guess. I appreciate everyone's thoughts although. I am trying to get him to sell me the LA463 FEL for my tractor at $2,995.00 but so far he only offered it at $3,390.00. Thanks again,LB /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Although the live PTO is easier to live with, proper planning can minimize the disadvantages of a non-live PTO.
Plan your route for finish mowing to prevent as much clutching as possible. You may have to reverse to hit areas missed when clutching for a turn. I'm assuming you'll be using a rear mower.
As far as brush cutting, those big blades take a long time to spin down when clutching. You won't notice any problems if you're reasonably adept at shifting gears. I used a single-stage clutch on a Deere 670 through really thick tall brush. It took me a second or so to shift gears (either forward or reverse) on a non-synchro transmission. The rotary cutter blades hardly slowed at all. Very little shock on the PTO when re-engaging the clutch.
Tilling and snow blowing may be a different matter, but no doubt you can learn to use the tractor most effectively once you get used to the single stage.
My 790 has a dual stage clutch, and it is nice. But I bought the 790 for more PTO HP, not because of the dual stage clutch.
Now, if I was a commercial operator, I might feel more strongly about the dual stage clutch.
Plan your route for finish mowing to prevent as much clutching as possible. You may have to reverse to hit areas missed when clutching for a turn. I'm assuming you'll be using a rear mower.
As far as brush cutting, those big blades take a long time to spin down when clutching. You won't notice any problems if you're reasonably adept at shifting gears. I used a single-stage clutch on a Deere 670 through really thick tall brush. It took me a second or so to shift gears (either forward or reverse) on a non-synchro transmission. The rotary cutter blades hardly slowed at all. Very little shock on the PTO when re-engaging the clutch.
Tilling and snow blowing may be a different matter, but no doubt you can learn to use the tractor most effectively once you get used to the single stage.
My 790 has a dual stage clutch, and it is nice. But I bought the 790 for more PTO HP, not because of the dual stage clutch.
Now, if I was a commercial operator, I might feel more strongly about the dual stage clutch.
wushaw
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One way to fix it would be to get the HST tranny. It would also cost more but you get the live PTO.
