Protocols

[bunyip]

Watching the news today and our Prime Minister arrived in Washington, they played the National Anthem for Aus then USA and our PM stood at attention whilst USA dignitaries put their right hand over their heart, it is not something we do at home but I wonder should he have when they played your National Anthem.
Just curious as to if this was a breach of protocol or just each to their own ways and I am sure no disrespect was intended.

 

[Racenut]

Hand over the heart represents your allegiance to the flag. They aren´t American, so no allegiance there. So just standing in courtesy and respect is fine and dandy.

 

[RNeumann]

It’s all good. Same thing happens at the olympics. Australia is one, or I believe the, oldest USA ally. I’m sure that is still in good shape

 

[Aquamoose]

Simply standing, looking at the flag while the anthem is playing denotes respect by any visitor. Your PM did fine. I hope he finds his visit pleasant!

 

[RandyT]

Your PM showed more respect than some of our so called US citizens do.

 

[Diggin It]

I thoroughly despise indoctrination and 'expected' gestures.

One of the reasons (among many) that I stopped going to ball games and most public ceremonies. You try to tell me when to stand, where to look, or where to put my hand, you're as likely as not to get the one finger salute. Freedom means just that, not compliance.

I decided it was time to outprocess when a TechSgt said something I didn't like and I told him to his face to F-off. Luckily he wasn't the type to pursue the matter.

I basically laughed every time I saw a group of troops stop and do the armraise to someone or something simply because they had been indoctrinated to do so out of fear of reprisal. One of my first acts as President would be to order the Joint Chiefs to abolish that rule.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I thoroughly despise indoctrination and 'expected' gestures.

One of the reasons (among many) that I stopped going to ball games and most public ceremonies. You try to tell me when to stand, where to look, or where to put my hand, you're as likely as not to get the one finger salute. Freedom means just that, not compliance.

I decided it was time to outprocess when a TechSgt said something I didn't like and I told him to his face to F-off. Luckily he wasn't the type to pursue the matter.

I basically laughed every time I saw a group of troops stop and do the armraise to someone or something simply because they had been indoctrinated to do so out of fear of reprisal. One of my first acts as President would be to order the Joint Chiefs to abolish that rule.

Like they say, a difference of opinion is what makes a horse race. I proudly stand for the National Anthem; place my hand over my heart and sometimes even shed a tear. I love my country and appreciate the sacrifices made by past generations, but I also appreciate the freedoms we enjoy, and even though I have nothing but contempt for an individual who kneels during the National Anthem, I am proud that they have, and can exercise, that right.

 

[bunyip]

Times have changed, I remember in my youth that when a film ended at the cinema they played the anthem and everyone stood and did not leave until it finished, now it's just a scramble for the door.
Anyway you answered my question with the hand over the heart, it was funny watching his US escort put her hand over her heart then take it away when she looked at the PM, she was a bit bewildered, confused and probably embarrassed, like I said it is not something we do but I was thinking along the lines of 'when in Rome'.
Incidentally the PM's plane is called the Grey Shark and bears an RAAF logo as well as a coat of arms, plain light grey Airbus I think it is.
Carries the PM, journalists and an entourage of 'Noddies' (they always stand around a leader nodding when they speak).
He was off to meet Donald later in the evening.

 

[ovrszd]

I thoroughly despise indoctrination and 'expected' gestures.

One of the reasons (among many) that I stopped going to ball games and most public ceremonies. You try to tell me when to stand, where to look, or where to put my hand, you're as likely as not to get the one finger salute. Freedom means just that, not compliance.

I decided it was time to outprocess when a TechSgt said something I didn't like and I told him to his face to F-off. Luckily he wasn't the type to pursue the matter.

I basically laughed every time I saw a group of troops stop and do the armraise to someone or something simply because they had been indoctrinated to do so out of fear of reprisal. One of my first acts as President would be to order the Joint Chiefs to abolish that rule.

Only thing wrong with your rant is that you think everyone else should follow your misguided lead.

I think it was a wise decision for you to remove yourself.

 

[Tractor Seabee]

I thoroughly despise indoctrination and 'expected' gestures.

One of the reasons (among many) that I stopped going to ball games and most public ceremonies. You try to tell me when to stand, where to look, or where to put my hand, you're as likely as not to get the one finger salute. Freedom means just that, not compliance.

I decided it was time to outprocess when a TechSgt said something I didn't like and I told him to his face to F-off. Luckily he wasn't the type to pursue the matter.

I basically laughed every time I saw a group of troops stop and do the armraise to someone or something simply because they had been indoctrinated to do so out of fear of reprisal. One of my first acts as President would be to order the Joint Chiefs to abolish that rule.

Just remember you are saluting the rank and position not the man/woman. Without protocol, traditions, courtesies, and the discipline that comes with it you have nothing but a mob. Witness what is happening on our streets today.

I was both enlisted and officer over 33 years. I treated my men with the same courtesy I expected from them.

For those reasons I am still a proponent of the draft and universal government service.

Ron

 

[Diggin It]

I ain't salutin' nuthin'!!!!

I hate the whole caste system. Doctor so-and-so, Mr. Speaker, Madam Chairperson, 'Your Honor' .......

To me we're all Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice. No one is above anyone else.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I ain't salutin' nuthin'!!!!

I hate the whole caste system. Doctor so-and-so, Mr. Speaker, Madam Chairperson, 'Your Honor' .......

To me we're all Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice. No one is above anyone else.

Status is real, and it's a cultural thing, among others. It exists not only in human culture, but in other species as well. In Primates, it's the biggest and baddest at the top; in humans it's a bit more sophisticated, but it's real, nonetheless.

 

[Wagtail]

I ain't salutin' nuthin'!!!!

I hate the whole caste system. Doctor so-and-so, Mr. Speaker, Madam Chairperson, 'Your Honor' .......

To me we're all Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice. No one is above anyone else.

Now you're not. When you were 'in' you bloody well did... because you signed and agreed and swore an oath.

Now that you're 'out' (although if you were ever 'in', you're never really 'out') you should know better.

 

[coobie]

I ain't salutin' nuthin'!!!!

I hate the whole caste system. Doctor so-and-so, Mr. Speaker, Madam Chairperson, 'Your Honor' .......

To me we're all Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice. No one is above anyone else.

Get that chip off your shoulder.Life might be a little easier.

 

[fried1765]

Get that chip off your shoulder.Life might be a little easier.

BINGO !!

 

[LouNY]

I ain't salutin' nuthin'!!!!

I hate the whole caste system. Doctor so-and-so, Mr. Speaker, Madam Chairperson, 'Your Honor' .......

To me we're all Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice. No one is above anyone else.

Well if you where watching an event when I was present and did not stand, remove your cover, and place your hand over your heart, or present arms when the National Anthem was being sung you would hear from me, "get your hat off" and after it was over I would tell you what an *** you where.
Done it more then once.
As far as I am concerned if you can not stand and honor the flag of this great nation get the heck out, and don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.

 

[ovrszd]

Just remember you are saluting the rank and position not the man/woman. Without protocol, traditions, courtesies, and the discipline that comes with it you have nothing but a mob. Witness what is happening on our streets today.

I was both enlisted and officer over 33 years. I treated my men with the same courtesy I expected from them.

For those reasons I am still a proponent of the draft and universal government service.

Ron

Having 40 years in the Army with 22 years as a First Sergeant I totally agree Sir.

 

[Aquamoose]

I ain't salutin' nuthin'!!!!

I hate the whole caste system. Doctor so-and-so, Mr. Speaker, Madam Chairperson, 'Your Honor' .......

To me we're all Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice. No one is above anyone else.

That’s your choice but I will be thanking a veteran and the families of the fallen on your behalf for your freedom to have that, very choice they gave to you. Sir.

 

[bigtiller]

Mrs.tiller and I enjoy an honorific sent our way and we freely give them out.

It's a polite and respectful way to greet someone.