Property Value/Appraisals RANT

[sdkubota]

You might find the passivehause projects in Europe worth looking into. They have taken it to the extreme and are hitting the limits of needed ventilation. But you can steal heat out of stale air being vented and transfer it to fresh cold air being drawn in. Also you can supply fresh cold air to the stove or stoves and not have them sucking and eight inch pipe worth under the doors etc.
Passivhaus Institut
Note: I have no interest with them, they are just something to consider with a grain of salt.

I have an heat/cool tranfer type ventilation system as my house was sprayed with icynene (sp?) foam insulation requiring introduction of outside air. The marginally work and I have installed a timer on it to cut down on energy loss. Just have to be careful about eating bean soup.

 

[vtsnowedin]

Most people I know in this area, of which Mossflower lives in do what I call extreme commutes. Extreme either being time or distance.

Property values as you move closer into the Federal City of Washington, DC. skyrocket as do taxes. There is a lucrative job market in this area of Maryland, Virginia and DC. People elect to move to the outer fringes of suburbs to escape the high cost of property around DC.
One can find rural living at the fringes to offer more compelling reasons for being out there, inspite of the job.

When I relocated to the fringes, it was because I was driving in "rush hour" one hour to get to a job that was only 15 minutes away. I asked myself, if I spend two hours driving to a job, why not make it worth my while and live in the fringes?

We made that happen and the commute is just what you do to get what you want.

I commuted 100 miles per day minimum for thirty five years because gas was cheaper then getting a place closer and the exact work locations varied widely in the summer. But now that has changed. At $4.00/ gallon I will have to at least get a 40mpg car or better and at $8.00 I will stay as close as practical four nights a week. At $10/ gallon I'll stay home and hoe up potatoes and raise chickens.
We made our choices based on the conditions at the time but we need to realise that thinks change and we need to adapt to the changes. He who adapts first and best will win out over those who expect a return to what they see as normal.

 

[NorTracNY]

If you guys wouldn't mind, please be a little nicer to us New Yorkers and not mention the pennies you pay in property taxes.

 

[vtsnowedin]

If you guys wouldn't mind, please be a little nicer to us New Yorkers and not mention the pennies you pay in property taxes.

After what your Legislature and govenor did yesterday you'll get no mercy here.
Everytime I see him speak I think of Mel Brooks in Blazing saddles "Work work work."

 

[buckeyefarmer]

No not vacant, it was $450 on 100 ac, a 30x50 steel building/shop/apartment, a barn & 2 sheds. Now it's $900 with a 1080 sqft main, 196sqft loft over a full basement house on the same property. I love my County:thumbsup:

There is a 500+ac tract of land in Hawkins County next to us listed for 577,500. I have walked part of it, looks like a state park. Land is really reasonable here now, it is back down to 2000-2001 prices.

When I first read this, I missed the leading 5, thinking it was $. I thought, wow, I'd jump on that one quick. :laughing:

I just looked up some land down that way, it is priced pretty good. Looks like a lot of mountain land.

 

[ultrarunner]

If you guys wouldn't mind, please be a little nicer to us New Yorkers and not mention the pennies you pay in property taxes.

1956 original ranch style home of 1725 square feet $9100 in "Low" property tax California...

 

[MossRoad]

If you guys wouldn't mind, please be a little nicer to us New Yorkers and not mention the pennies you pay in property taxes.

O.K. I won't mention that I pay less than $600 per year on my 1350 Sq' home on 1 acre with 1 car and 2 car detached garages, swimming pool, fruit trees and vinyard that is worth 65K if you won't mention the same house in a different setting like NY or CA will cost $450,000. :laughing:

We also have 20 acres of unimproved woodland out in the county that costs less than $200 per year. How much would 20 acres be taxed where you are? Just curious.

 

[Tomtint]

1 3200 sf house, 25 acres of land just over $16,000 per year. Our govenor just decided we should pay MORE in state income tax next year too.

 

[sdkubota]

1200 SF 1.5 story house ($245k valuation) on 10 acres...$3300/yr in SD. The county places little valuation on rural property...far less than what it cost me.

 

[KTurner]

You basically described my wife's grandmothers' house, right beside ours. 0.99 acre, 1,375 sqft brick house built in 1970, detached single car garage (brick), and a detached 2 car garage for tractor/implement/etc storage. Assessed at $280k, taxes = $2100. Southeast VA. They raised our property tax rate ~12% this year (assessments went down ~1%) and they just started talking about raising it another 1.5-6% next year. This is in a supposedly very conservative county.

On top of that, they're forcing public sewer on us this year, which amounts to another tax. Probably $8k to get hooked up. They've told me our assessments will go up as a result of the public sewer being installed, which means I get to pay more property tax every year, and there's a new monthly sewer bill (another tax).

And then there's the social security tax "increase" this year, and all of those other tax changes due to those fiscal cliff "negotiations"

Arggg...@#$ #$%#$% #$%#$%

Excuse me while I go sit in the corner and let my blood boil....:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Keith

 

[kenmac]

. They raised our property tax rate ~12% this year (assessments went down ~1%) and they just started talking about raising it another 1.5-6% next year.

Keith

It takes a vote of the people here to raise property tax.

 

[sdkubota]

The sewer might sound like a pain but will definately increase your home's worth...here comes the new tax assessment.

 

[MotorSeven]

I know your income is higher in the NE which is fine while your working. Just like S. Fla, income is up but so are taxes and insurance of all kinds. Seems like everyone I talk to is planning on leaving when they retire. They are all looking for a place that will stretch their retirement dollar(jut like I did). We are seeing a lot of Police, Fire & municipality workers that are close to retirement down here looking for land/homes. Private industry workers are here too in equal numbers. I have urged our County Mayor to advertise or otherwise present us as a great place to retire. The reasons are many as to why we are not as "developed" as other places nearby. Mostly it's our geographical location, no real industry, remote access via 2 lane roads through somewhat steep ridges & 30 -45 min to major shopping.

It's not for everybody, some move here to "get away from it all" then realize it's just a little too far away:laughing: Some have been very, well,,,ahh amusing, wondering why we don't have broadband or street lights or garbage pick-up, paved roads, MORE BUILDING CODES...the list goes on and on. When I hear that in my presence, I politely point out that those things cost money, a lot of money and if we had those luxury's most of us could not afford to live here. Furthermore, the more luxury's you have the less freedom you have...rural is rural and it should stay that way. Are there downsides to this? Well, yes but it's mostly a matter of perception & thought process. When you get behind that load of hay going 25mph and can't pass, sit back actually turn you head and look around at the scenery.....I think "Postcard Pretty" every drive to town. When you see a place like a run down single-wide, consider that that is all they can afford they they do the best they can. When the small town politics raise an eyebrow think of Monica Lewinsky.

There are many places like this across America. Small towns, small communities with lot's of pride & lot's of freedom. For those of us that join them it's our duty to maintain that freedom and keep the best qualities of the community intact. If we don't they will all vanish and one day we will look around I say, "what the heck happened?"

I'll get down off the soapbox now....carry on

 

[NorTracNY]

O.K. I won't mention that I pay less than $600 per year on my 1350 Sq' home on 1 acre with 1 car and 2 car detached garages, swimming pool, fruit trees and vinyard that is worth 65K if you won't mention the same house in a different setting like NY or CA will cost $450,000. :laughing:

We also have 20 acres of unimproved woodland out in the county that costs less than $200 per year. How much would 20 acres be taxed where you are? Just curious.

The home would be maybe $150-170K and taxes would be $4,500-5,000. The land would vary a lot more 20-200K. Taxes are about 3.5% of accessed value which is full "market value."

 

[riptides]

The home would be maybe $150-170K and taxes would be $4,500-5,000. The land would vary a lot more 20-200K. Taxes are about 3.5% of accessed value which is full "market value."

OUCH. Is all of New York like that? I always thought the rural parts did not have that burden of high costs.

I wish the family still had the duck farm on Long Island.

 

[300UGUY]

You basically described my wife's grandmothers' house, right beside ours. 0.99 acre, 1,375 sqft brick house built in 1970, detached single car garage (brick), and a detached 2 car garage for tractor/implement/etc storage. Assessed at $280k, taxes = $2100. Southeast VA. They raised our property tax rate ~12% this year (assessments went down ~1%) and they just started talking about raising it another 1.5-6% next year. This is in a supposedly very conservative county.

On top of that, they're forcing public sewer on us this year, which amounts to another tax. Probably $8k to get hooked up. They've told me our assessments will go up as a result of the public sewer being installed, which means I get to pay more property tax every year, and there's a new monthly sewer bill (another tax).

And then there's the social security tax "increase" this year, and all of those other tax changes due to those fiscal cliff "negotiations"

Arggg...@#$ #$%#$% #$%#$%

Excuse me while I go sit in the corner and let my blood boil....:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Keith

Your taxes are less than ours, but your sewer hookup is about 2K less than ours also. The SS tax isn't really a increase, it's just going back to what it was. I don't mind paying the taxes, but the income isn't increasing.

 

[300UGUY]

I know your income is higher in the NE which is fine while your working. Just like S. Fla, income is up but so are taxes and insurance of all kinds. Seems like everyone I talk to is planning on leaving when they retire. They are all looking for a place that will stretch their retirement dollar(jut like I did). We are seeing a lot of Police, Fire & municipality workers that are close to retirement down here looking for land/homes. Private industry workers are here too in equal numbers. I have urged our County Mayor to advertise or otherwise present us as a great place to retire. The reasons are many as to why we are not as "developed" as other places nearby. Mostly it's our geographical location, no real industry, remote access via 2 lane roads through somewhat steep ridges & 30 -45 min to major shopping.

It's not for everybody, some move here to "get away from it all" then realize it's just a little too far away:laughing: Some have been very, well,,,ahh amusing, wondering why we don't have broadband or street lights or garbage pick-up, paved roads, MORE BUILDING CODES...the list goes on and on. When I hear that in my presence, I politely point out that those things cost money, a lot of money and if we had those luxury's most of us could not afford to live here. Furthermore, the more luxury's you have the less freedom you have...rural is rural and it should stay that way. Are there downsides to this? Well, yes but it's mostly a matter of perception & thought process. When you get behind that load of hay going 25mph and can't pass, sit back actually turn you head and look around at the scenery.....I think "Postcard Pretty" every drive to town. When you see a place like a run down single-wide, consider that that is all they can afford they they do the best they can. When the small town politics raise an eyebrow think of Monica Lewinsky.

There are many places like this across America. Small towns, small communities with lot's of pride & lot's of freedom. For those of us that join them it's our duty to maintain that freedom and keep the best qualities of the community intact. If we don't they will all vanish and one day we will look around I say, "what the heck happened?"

I'll get down off the soapbox now....carry on

You should just be quiet. When I moved to our area, it was very rural. All the development has done is raise my taxes. New folks means new schools, new roads, new fire department stuff, more police, all paid for at todays prices. And a lot of development never pays for itself. We have had a bunch of small factories locate here over the years. All of them get tax deals to locate here, low cost development loans, training funds from the state, all for $8 per hour jobs. And these places are owned by big corporations, not little businesses. And usually by the time the tax breaks run out, the companies come up with a deal: give us more or we will leave for someplace that will. Or they just walk away, send the jobs to Mexico.

 

[Gunny]

It takes a vote of the people here to raise property tax.

Here in Kentucky the public library, county health services and the school board can raise their portion of your property tax up to 4.5% a year just by saying so. They can raise it higher if they hold three public meetings to discuss it.
Guess what? Every year the school, health and library taxes go up by at least 4.5%. (By the way, we pay that not only on our property tax bill, those taxes are also on your electric bill, your telephone bill and again when you renew your vehicle license plates every year) School taxes alone make up over 50% of my tax bills.

The state auditor has raised some noise about this, calling them "unregulated tax bases", but I doubt if they ever do anything about it.

 

[ustmd]

You basically described my wife's grandmothers' house, right beside ours. 0.99 acre, 1,375 sqft brick house built in 1970, detached single car garage (brick), and a detached 2 car garage for tractor/implement/etc storage. Assessed at $280k, taxes = $2100. Southeast VA.

Keith

Not to minimize your pain, but I would kill to get that property tax rate. The county (here in deep red Texas) just took $4214 on an assessed value of $216K.

 

[murphy1244]

Just wrote a check for 7140 today