Property Value/Appraisals RANT

/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #61  
Land is an odd thing ,but it is what people are willing to pay for it that sets the rates. The first acre or even quarter acre if municiple water and sewer is available goes for 25K here fifty miles out from an employment center. Within ten miles of the regional hospital and all the other jobs around it, Ivy leage college , Hypotherm etc. that same lot goes for 75 to 100K That is for a buildable , permitable, lot with power and other utilities at the front. After that adding another acre might add 10k then another acre 7k and so on until if you have 100 acres adding another 5acres only adds $1000 per each additional acre. But go through the process to subdivide off acre 105 from the 104 remainder and sell it the new owner will start paying taxes on 25K about $500 a year while the sellers taxes on 104 will only go down just $20.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #62  
Moss, Bad times a comin. I would not get in further in debt right now.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #64  
I really like Dave Ramsey's philosophy! I try to follow his plan but it's very difficult to do. Yes, it takes discipline and dedication which many people do not have when it comes to money. I highly recommend to anyone to read his book. I've made many life changes based off his philosophies but still have a ways to go. In one of my previous post in this thread I mentioned I lost money selling a house and purchased another one. The reason I did this was to start changing my ways. I went from a beautiful 3400sqft home to a modest 2100sqft home in the same town. I could afford the larger house but I asked myself the question "do I really need this house or was I trying to look like a big man by having a trophy house?" I decided to have financial peace and downgrade. That was one of the best decisions in my life! I now don't think about money and was able to max out my 401K contributions, get my son a college degree with NO loans and paid off my cars. Again, I'm blessed and wake up every day thanking god for what I have in life.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #65  
I started listening to Dave Ramsey on the radio while eating lunch with my wife down by the river. I was kinda shocked at how many people were calling in with financial problems that were making 4-5 times as much as my wife and I. There's something to be said for wearing the shoe on the other foot, but I cannot fathom taking on that much debt. Pay as you go is the best way.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #66  
Yea I felt the same way the first time listening to Dave. I realized that I should be grateful for want I have and start taking fiscal responsibility in my life. Not just for me but for my family. When I decided to start using Dave's advice I never looked back. I can tell you that I'm much more at peace with my life then years past! Mostly because I don't worry about chasing the almighty dollar. Again, my life is much different than most but I will tell you that if you just stop and think about needs and wants you'll find out that most things you "want" in life are exactly that.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #67  
I went and looked up Ramsey and read his steps which we have been doing for years. :thumbsup::laughing::laughing::laughing:

The city house we lived in was small but cheap. The agent I used to buy the house said I would sell it in 18 months and get a larger house. She was wrong. Very wrong since we stayed in the house for almost a decade. That told me we were NOT like everyone else because the agent was one of the top sellers in that city. We stayed in that little house, 10 pounds of scat in a five pound bag, because we wanted to buy land and build the dream house. After years of looking, we found what we now live on. We had a small lot, under three acres, but we wanted more space. We figured we could afford 15-20 acres, but in the end, we found a 73 acre parcel for sale! By moving fast, and making smart/right decisions, we sold off the chunks of the land to pay down the land loan. I learned about the timber business real fast and which allowed us to pay down more debt. When we first bought the land, the land payment was twice our house payment. Today, the land payment is almost a third less than that old house payment.

Unfortunately, the new house payment is more than I would like but don't have car payments or cc debt.

At first, we wanted to build a house on a part of the land that in the future we would sell off. The problem was that to build the house a bit bigger than what we had in the city would cost too much. We simply wanted a house, a ten pound bag, if you will, to hold the 10 pounds of scat. Running the numbers, it was obvious that building a smaller house and then building the dream house was NOT the way to proceed. We would loose precious time in the non dream home, and we would be building much later in life, so we built the dream home. Our dream house is NOT a McMansion and there was not that much difference in the smaller house design vs the dream home. However, the dream house is more than I wanted to spend.

The land is more than I wanted to buy as well. We spent many a late work night talking this through. At one point, we had the option of selling the land, the timber, and our little city house and buying larger city house. The larger city house would not be any bigger than our dream house but it would not be the dream house. On the other hand, that city house would have no or very little mortgage. :shocked: What to do? :confused3: Now, I had always dreamed of having my own land. Enough land to be able to hunt and walk on without seeing other people. Enough land to just be alone. We found that land after many long years of looking...

So what to do? Play it Ramsey Safe, sell everything and have no debt, but live in the city? Or go for the dream? Playing Ramsey Safe would be the money smart thing to do but then we would never have the dream. We would rather run a slight risk of loosing everything, but at least having the dream for a time, than NEVER having the dream, and always resenting not trying.

Sometimes you have to roll the dice.

Now we did not willey nilley roll the dice. We plotted and planned. Some of the plots and plans have blown up and some have worked out. The wifey had a great and unexpected opportunity to be a real estate agent. Well, you can guess how that worked out. :laughing::laughing::laughing: But it most certainly was an opportunity she should and did take. Per the plan, the land should be paid off at this point but there is a bit of money left on the loan. Health issues, the economy, car accidents, health issues, kids education, have all reprioritized The Plan.

It is possible the house will be refied and/or more principal paid down this year. The land loan might get paid off depending on the house refi. One more small step...

Sometimes you have to chase the dream, otherwise you will spend the rest of your life thinking about the might have beens. So far, we have pulled off what I thought was impossible. I never thought we would own more than 15-20 acres and have the dream house this "early" in life. I could loose my job, and we could loose it all, but at least, for a decent part of my life, I HAD the dream. THAT cannot be taken away.

Later,
Dan
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #68  
For the record, I am a staunch fiscal conservative
Doesn't really look like it from where I'm standing. Looks more like you make bad decisions and then stand back and throw money at them.
Sorry..... You're obviously a very good person, but that's the truth, or the way I see it.
It also looks to me that you have a lot to be thankful for.... a ton of things, starting with your health.

I'd say you calm down and make a list of what is really necessary and important and I'm not just talking about stuff either. Understand that it's up to you to decide this and not your wife or your kids. You know what best for your family, and you know what has to be done, and some of it is going to hurt a little. When that happens, just remind yourself and your family of exactly what you have and how lucky you are to have it.

It's going to be a long term project to get to where you think you need to be. Commit to that and stick with it. Worry about things you can control.
Things are not as bad as it seems, and if your wife is not willing to stick it out with you, well then, so be it. That's not what she agreed to when she "I do". You can't really control that now can you?
That's my :2cents: I really hope it didn't pi$$ you off David. I'm pretty sure you are the type of person that will come out the other side wondering what you were so upset about.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #69  
This is a good thread/discussion. I'm sorry it's coming about at the expense of your finances, Dave, but it's certainly a pertinent subject for most of us.

Just looked into Ramsey. His advice is all very logical, and we do live without CC debt or car payments. But ****, 15 year mortgages at 25% of your monthly income or less ONLY? That one is hard to meet and still live in a comfortable house. If you make $75k/year, that limits you to about a $1000 mortgage payment. That doesn't buy squat in a 15 year mortgage.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #70  
By the way, this being a tractor site, this usually implies most of us owning some acreage that can justify having such a machine. Which means a lot of us are following our "dream" of land ownership. When you find that perfect piece of property or deal too good to turn down, there you are, jumping in with both feet. At least that's how it happened for me.

Now our choices are to keep renting a dumpy little place in town, or jump into big debt to finance a construction loan. We're going for the construction loan as soon as we get our budget and financing approved. Probably 30 years with closer to 35-40 % of my monthly income supporting it. Going to be an adventure.....
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #71  
I have not carried a balance on my CC ever, I paid off my first house in 7 years. I bought and sold 3 Harleys. I hope to pay off our dream house in 10 years. Small house on 16 acres. Think big live small
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #72  
I have not carried a balance on my CC ever, I paid off my first house in 7 years. I bought and sold 3 Harleys. I hope to pay off our dream house in 10 years. Small house on 16 acres. Think big live small

Reminds me of the old saying: "Small house, big bank account."
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #73  
...Just looked into Ramsey. His advice is all very logical, and we do live without CC debt or car payments. But ****, 15 year mortgages at 25% of your monthly income or less ONLY? That one is hard to meet and still live in a comfortable house. If you make $75k/year, that limits you to about a $1000 mortgage payment. That doesn't buy squat in a 15 year mortgage.

Wow!

I don't follow these types of people offering their opinion on money. I should take a closer look at Ramsey to absorb what he has to say.

The mortgage at 25 percent of your income statement is questionable to me. Does it take into account location? location? location? The mantra of Real Estate. :)

Money is a tool, and timing is everything in Real Estate. Choose wisely. Live your dream. On these, I agree.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #75  
No current plans to improve or sell, I like low apprisals... keeps my property taxes lower.

mark
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #76  
No current plans to improve or sell, I like low apprisals... keeps my property taxes lower.

mark

That only works if the 'low' is not applied across the entire locality. Our assessment values dropped pretty much across the board, so the county gov increased the tax rate to make up for it.

Keith
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #77  
One thing to be aware of is that property appraisal is a bit of a game. I do a lot with real-estate and real-estate financing. The first thing to understand is an appraisal is not really a measure of what something's worth (it's worth what someone will pay), its a way of using acceptable rules to come up with a value on something. Typically you have an appraisal amount you would 'like' to get. You then use different approaches and sets of rules to try and prove that it's "worth" whatever you're trying to get, which is why appraisals seldom come out much higher than what you want to get. While it may not work in your situation given such a large differential, I've been very successful in either getting the appraisal raised significantly by coming up with my own comps or by finding another appraiser with a different point of view. Now when I do an appraisal i will do my own before the guy comes and show him how I got to my number and share the comps etc with him. Many will then use my comps and come up with the right value. The key is to make reasonable comps and assumptions. If the comps just aren't there then the goal becomes to prove that your property is materially different and there's something else that adds value (nice view, better equipment, waterfront, mature timber, whatever). Those subjective things give acceptable leeway for an appraiser to get to the value. Keep in mind that they want it to appraise for the value too, otherwise the bank doesn't get the business.

One last thing I would suggest is working with a local bank. They often have more leeway with their methods, are willing to talk about things and the appraisers tend to more reasonable in my opinion because they want the business. You can read about appraisal methods online so you can speak their language. The most common methods are: replacement cost, comparable sales (the one they usually use - and not good if you've got foreclosures around), cash flows w/ a cap rate (commercial only).
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #78  
This is a good thread/discussion. I'm sorry it's coming about at the expense of your finances, Dave, but it's certainly a pertinent subject for most of us.

Just looked into Ramsey. His advice is all very logical, and we do live without CC debt or car payments. But ****, 15 year mortgages at 25% of your monthly income or less ONLY? That one is hard to meet and still live in a comfortable house. If you make $75k/year, that limits you to about a $1000 mortgage payment. That doesn't buy squat in a 15 year mortgage.

I disagree. My wife and I make way less than that after taxes. We've payed off a small house in 5 years, 20 acres 4 years after that, another house double the size of the first in 3 (would have been 5 but Dad died and left us a nice gift so we put it on the house, but we had scheduled 5), put two kids through day care, Catholic grade school, Catholic high school, sending one to college with less than 5K in debt for 1st and the 2nd one will be paid for by the time she goes. We also have a nice nest egg (knock on wood) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY A TRACTOR!!! :laughing:

It really depends on where you choose to live, how much you want to make in salary, carreer choices, and the decisions you make. I do acknowledge that health catastrophies, unexpected layoffs, etc... happen to good people through no fault of their own. But if you live up to your means and then your means goes away, you have to accept that you didn't plan for the unexpected. Its never too late to step back, analyse your situation, and re-plan for your future. That's what Dave Ramsey shows you how to do.
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #79  
In my business I find that alot of people live off what they make ( some more than they make) with no emergency fund in place when ( not if ) something happens ie, A/C goes out, plumbing problems, new roof the list goes on and on.When somethins hapens they end up borrowing nore $$ going deeper intop debt. If you live the D.R. plan this may happen ,but not likely.I,ve been following the plan for yrs . I feel If I live like no one else now, I will be able to live like no one else later.Someone said money is a tool . If used correctly it is. If used incorrectly, it can get you into big trouble
 
/ Property Value/Appraisals RANT #80  
The mortgage at 25 percent of your income statement is questionable to me. Does it take into account location? location? location? The mantra of Real Estate. :)


No . Location doesn't mke any difference.The plan is the plan for any location.If you didn't save enough $ to get the monthly payment to within 25% of take home pay on a 15 yr fixed you don't buy the house
 
 
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