Price Gouging on Heating Oil vs Off-Road Diesel

[JWR]

You said: "You must just want to argue." Hypocrisy if I spelled it right.

You said: #2 HHO and diesel, can be, and most likely are the same. I disagree mildly because I told you quite a few times as have others in this thread -- they are utterly identical. Not most likely.
You said "If I remember correctly, there are subtle differences in the technical specifications, with diesel, having slightly more documented specifications that must be met to pass as diesel." I disagree. No one is testing diesel fuel to prove that it is diesel fuel. Nor to more stringent specs than HHO since most know they are identical in the first place.
You said: "Anyone here feel free to tell me I’m wrong." I did very politely and you got a turd crossways.
You said: "the slight possibility exists that the HHO was made and only tested to the HHO specifications, which means the slight chance, it would not meet one of the diesel specs." I disagree. No one is testing HHO or diesel fuel to different specs since since most know they are identical in the first place.
You said: "If you search the internet hard enough you should be able to find the 2 specifications, and you’ll find they aren’t exactly the same." I disagree. That is nonsense and I will not waste my time doing it. The burden of proof is on you.

So in summary, I disagree with every sentence in your post. You insisted on knowing which sentence. Now you know.

 

[mo1]

I disagree. They are totally identical in every respect regardless of specifications. It is the same stuff. Period. Some of it is dyed for law enforcement purposes.

See post # 24 above. #2 fuel oil is diesel fuel (and maybe other names) but all the same the world over.

Sometimes if you get heating oil and dyed off-road diesel fuel from a supplier, they are the same exact thing, but sometimes they are not. Diesel fuel and heating oil do not necessarily have to be the same thing as they have different specifications they must meet, ASTM D975 for diesel and ASTM D396 for heating oil. They are very similar but diesel fuel has a few additional specifications it must meet (lubricity and cetane index/cetane number) that heating oil does not in order to pass spec. Also, in some states heating oil can have up to 300 ppm sulfur while diesel fuel has to be less than 15 ppm, in others, heating oil must have the same <15 ppm sulfur as diesel fuel does.

A report by the EPA stated that all of the heating oil in the New England area (which must be <15 ppm sulfur, just like diesel fuel) is simply dyed diesel fuel. In other areas, it could possibly differ. Many fuel suppliers elsewhere will simply deliver red diesel if you call for heating oil but it could theoretically be a different-spec product, so one should absolutely verify what they are getting for heating oil before using it in anything other than a furnace.

 

[lman]

In this area home heating oil(fuel oil) is the same as dyed diesel fuel.

 

[bdhsfz6]

I don't really care if HHO and ORD are the same or not. I've been using HHO in my Kubota tractors for over 40 years with zero issues.

There was a story near here of a guy who lost his license for a DUI conviction. He used his tractor to get to a bar near his place. He was pulled over and cited for using red dyed fuel on the highway. The cop stated he wasn't using the tractor for farm use and it was therefore illegal. I don't know if it ever went to court or even if the story is 100% true. It raises an interesting question though.

 

[lman]

Around here the Amish drive tractors pulling trailers down the road as their pickup trucks. I'm sure their using ORD. My Amish neighbor has a landscaping business and he drives his tractor with trailer and his mowing equipment 12 miles to some customers. He has a tank at his home with ORD.

 

[bdhsfz6]

Around here the Amish drive tractors pulling trailers down the road as their pickup trucks. I'm sure their using ORD. My Amish neighbor has a landscaping business and he drives his tractor with trailer and his mowing equipment 12 miles to some customers. He has a tank at his home with ORD.

The difference is, the situation you describe would be considered farm use. Driving home drunk from a bar at 2 AM isn't. I think the cop was just looking for something to cite him with.

 

[lman]

The difference is, the situation you describe would be considered farm use. Driving home drunk from a bar at 2 AM isn't. I think the cop was just looking for something to cite him with.

So landscapers can use ord in their pickup trucks. The neighbor only uses his tractor to haul mowers down the road.

 

[Williy]

The only difference between the #2 diesel
for the road and #2 home heating oil is the
sulfur content and that is changing to the
same as over the road #2 diesel 15 ppm
So very soon or done already there is really
no difference between the two except with
the red dye is added to the off road #2 diesel.
Now for winter months you can add Kerosene
to you #2 diesel but there's no lubrication
in Kerosene so I prefer the additives for the
anti jelling easier to work with and less hassle
in adding it and very easy to store the small
containers verses having large containers of
kerosene around!

willy

 

[mo1]

There was a story near here of a guy who lost his license for a DUI conviction. He used his tractor to get to a bar near his place. He was pulled over and cited for using red dyed fuel on the highway. The cop stated he wasn't using the tractor for farm use and it was therefore illegal. I don't know if it ever went to court or even if the story is 100% true. It raises an interesting question though.

Heh heh, George Jones did this back in the day, but if I remember correctly it was a riding lawnmower and not a tractor. Most of the drunks who got revoked use kids' bicycles to get around. It is quite a "ride of shame."

Laws do depend on what state you are in but at least around here you would probably get charged with improperly operating an off-road vehicle on a public roadway if you used a tractor to drive to a bar. Off-road vehicles are illegal to use on-road except in very specific circumstances, "a legitimate agricultural use" being one of them. I do not believe somebody who drove a tractor on-road for nonagricultural uses could get charged with fuel tax evasion as taxed fuel is only required for use in on-road vehicles operating on public roadways, and no off-road vehicles are licenseable as on-road vehicles in this state.

 

[hube2]

I was just comparing diesel to heating fuel this past weekend. Here in NY they are the same thing. HHO was almost a 50 cents more a gallon than the current cost of diesel, and not off road diesel but the price at the pump for the un-dyed stuff